King of evildoers says he got the nuke

[mbuttons]

First resports, from CNN (I think), pointed out that only the English
translation of the [Urdu?] interview contained the statement:
>"we have chemical and
> nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we
> reserve the right to use them".

I have not heard that mentioned since Friday night.

m-a


on 11/10/2001 3:22 AM, Roger Baker at rcbaker@eden.infohwy.com wrote:
> But he won't use them unless we use them first. And all his wives are
> Arab, and he doesn't have kidney disease.
> 
> I'm still searching for the coded messages in this interview. -- Roger
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> http://www.dawn.com/2001/11/10/top1.htm
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> 10 November 2001     Saturday     23 Shaban 1422
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> Osama claims he has nukes: If US uses N-arms it will get same response
> By Hamid Mir
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> 
> KABUL, Nov 9: Osama bin Laden has said that "we have chemical and
> nuclear weapons as a deterrent and if America used them against us we
> reserve the right to use them".
> 
> He said this in a special interview with Hamid Mir, the editor of Ausaf,
> for Dawn and Ausaf, at an undisclosed location near Kabul.
> 
> This was the first interview given by Osama to any journalist after the
> September 11 attacks in New York and Washington.
> 
> The correspondent was taken blindfolded in a jeep from Kabul on the
> night of Nov 7 to a place where it was extremely cold and one could hear
> the sound of anti-aircraft guns firing away. After a wait of some time ,
> Osama arrived with about a dozen bodyguards and Dr Ayman Al-Zuwahiri and
> answered questions.
> Hamid Mir: After American bombing on Afghanistan on Oct 7, you told the
> Al-Jazeera TV that the Sept 11 attacks had been carried out by some
> Muslims. How did you know they were Muslims ?
> 
> Osama bin Laden: The Americans themselves released a list of the
> suspects of the Sept 11 attacks, saying that the persons named were
> involved in the attacks. They were all Muslims, of whom 15 belonged to
> Saudi Arabia, two were from the UAE and one from Egypt. According to the
> information I have, they were all passengers.Fateha was held for them in
> their homes. But America said they were hijackers.
> HM: In your statement of Oct 7, you expressed satisfaction over the Sept
> 11 attacks, although a large number of innocent people perished in them,
> hundreds among them were Muslims. Can you justify the killing of
> innocent men in the light of Islamic teachings ?
> 
> OBL: This is a major point in jurisprudence. In my view, if an enemy
> occupies a Muslim territory and uses common people as human shield, then
> it is permitted to attack that enemy. For instance, if bandits barge
> into a home and hold a child hostage, then the child's father can attack
> the bandits and in that attack even the child may get hurt.
> 
> America and its allies are massacring us in Palestine, Chechenya,
> Kashmir and Iraq. The Muslims have the right to attack America in
> reprisal. The Islamic Shariat says Muslims should not live in the land
> of the infidel for long. The Sept 11 attacks were not targeted at women
> and children. The real targets were America's icons of military and
> economic power.
> 
> The Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) was against killing women and
> children. When he saw a dead woman during a war, he asked why was she
> killed ? If a child is above 13 and wields a weapon against Muslims,
> then it is permitted to kill him.
> The American people should remember that they pay taxes to their
> government, they elect their president, their government manufactures
> arms and gives them to Israel and Israel uses them to massacre
> Palestinians. The American Congress endorses all government measures and
> this proves that the entire America is responsible for the atrocities
> perpetrated against Muslims. The entire America, because they elect the
> Congress.
> 
> I ask the American people to force their government to give up
> anti-Muslim policies. The American people had risen against their
> government's war in Vietnam. They must do the same today. The American
> people should stop the massacre of Muslims by their government.
> 
> HM: Can it be said that you are against the American government, not the
> American people ?
> 
> OSB: Yes! We are carrying on the mission of our Prophet, Muhammad (peace
> be upon him). The mission is to spread the word of God, not to indulge
> massacring people. We ourselves are the target of killings, destruction
> and atrocities. We are only defending ourselves. This is defensive
> Jihad. We want to defend our people and our land. That is why I say that
> if we don't get security, the Americans, too would not get security.
> 
> This is a simple formula that even an American child can understand.
> This is the formula of live and let live.
> 
> HM: The head of Egypt's Jamia Al-Azhar has issued a fatwa (edict)
> against you, saying that the views and beliefs of Osama bin Laden have
> nothing to do with Islam. What do you have to say about that ?
> 
> OSB: The fatwa of any official Aalim has no value for me. History is
> full of such Ulema who justify Riba, who justify the occupation of
> Palestine by the Jews, who justify the presence of American troops
> around Harmain Sharifain. These people support the infidels for their
> personal gain.The true Ulema support the Jihad against America. Tell me
> if Indian forces invaded Pakistan what would you do? The Israeli forces
> occupy our land and the American troops are on our territory. We have no
> other option but to launch Jihad.
> 
> HM: Some Western media claim that you are trying to acquire chemical and
> nuclear weapons. How much truth is there in such reports?
> 
> OSB: I heard the speech of American President Bush yesterday (Oct 7). He
> was scaring the European countries that Osama wanted to attack with
> weapons of mass destruction. I wish to declare that if America used
> chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical
> and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as deterrent.
> 
> HM: Where did you get these weapons from ?
> 
> OSB: Go to the next question.
> 
> HM: Demonstrations are being held in many European countries against
> American attacks on Afghanistan. Thousands of the protesters were
> non-Muslims. What is your opinion about those non-Muslim protesters ?
> 
> OSB: There are many innocent and good-hearted people in the West.
> American media instigates them against Muslims. However, some
> good-hearted people are protesting against American attacks because
> human nature abhors injustice.
> 
> The Muslims were massacred under the UN patronage in Bosnia. I am ware
> that some officers of the State Department had resigned in protest. Many
> years ago the US ambassador in Egypt had resigned in protest against the
> policies of President Jimmy Carter. Nice and civilized are everywhere.
> The Jewish lobby has taken America and the West hostage.
> 
> HM: Some people say that war is no solution to any issue. Do you think
> that some political formula could be found to stop the present war ?
> 
> OSB: You should put this question to those who have started this war. We
> are only defending ourselves.
> 
> HM: If America got out of Saudi Arabia and the Al-Aqsa mosque was
> liberated, would you then present yourself for trial in some Muslim
> country ?
> 
> OSB: Only Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Pakistan follows the
> English law. I don't consider Saudi Arabia an Islamic country. If the
> Americans have charges against me, we too have a charge sheet against
> them.
> 
> HM: Pakistan government decided to cooperate with America after Sept 11,
> which you don't consider right. What do you think Pakistan should have
> done but to cooperate with America ?
> 
> OSB: The government of Pakistan should have the wishes of the people in
> view. It should not have surrendered to the unjustified demands of
> America. America does not have solid proof against us. It just has some
> surmises. It is unjust to start bombing on the basis of those surmises.
> 
> HM: Had America decided to attack Pakistan with the help of India and
> Israel, what would have we done ?
> 
> OSB: What has America achieved by attacking Afghanistan ? We will not
> leave the Pakistani people and the Pakistani territory at anybody's mercy
> ..
> We will defend Pakistan. But we have been disappointed by Gen Pervez
> Musharraf. He says that the majority is with him. I say the majority is
> against him.
> 
> Bush has used the word crusade. This is a crusade declared by Bush. It
> is no wisdom to barter off blood of Afghan brethren to improve
> Pakistan's economy. He will be punished by the Pakistani people and
> Allah.
> Right now a great war of Islamic history is being fought in Afghanistan.
> All the big powers are united against Muslims. It is ' sawab ' to
> participate in this war.
> 
> HM: A French newspaper has claimed that you had kidney problem and had
> secretly gone to Dubai for treatment last year. Is that correct ?
> 
> OSB: My kidneys are all right. I did not go to Dubai last year. One
> British newspaper has published an imaginary interview with Islamabad
> dateline with one of my sons who lives in Saudi Arabia. All this is
> false.
> 
> HM: Is it correct that a daughter of Mulla Omar is your wife or your
> daughter is Mulla Omar's wife ?
> 
> OSB: (Laughs). All my wives are Arabs ( and all my daughters are married
> to Arab Mujahideen). I have spiritual relationship with Mulla Omar. He
> is a great and brave Muslim of this age. He does not fear anyone but
> Allah. He is not under any personal relationship or obligation to me. He
> is only discharging his religious duty. I, too, have not chosen this
> life out of any personal consideration.
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-- Mary Ann Wilson
mbuttons@gate.net