Fw: Telebob on Cuba

[Your Libertarian]

Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:40 AM
Subject: Ahem: Telebob on Cuba


> Gang,
>
> As many of you know I've visited Cuba 29 times. Much of what telebob
argues
> is true, In fact he could add that the greatest source of income for Cuba
is
> transfer payments from the Untied States i.e.. relatives of
> Cubans here sending money to family members in Cuba. The net payment is
over
> one billion dollars per year. It could be argued that without the blockade
> it would have been hard for Cuba to earn that much per year in trade with
> the United States.
>
> Where Telebob weakens his argument is with his old ultra right wind
rhetoric
> that Fidel is a "lunatic and sadist". Cuba jails a far fewer percentage of
> their population than most of central America and certainly the United
> States.There are no firing squads in Cuba nor are the children dying at
the
> rate of Washington DC let alone Haiti.
>
> As for the lunatic part, Fidel is one of the most cogent and thoughtful
> leaders on the world stage.
> His brilliance is what makes the problem so difficult. Fidel is a
committed
> Socialist and it doesn't take many visits to the island to understand that
> Socialism doesn't work. Fidel as a young man adopted a visionary and
utopian
> system of thought that, as is well argued here,  doesn't conform to human
> nature. Even a few months examining Cuba on ground level underscores the
> brilliance of  the Jeffersonian distrust of power, the need for checks and
> balances, and systems to vote the bastards out.
>
> I can't think of a little "d" democratic socialist country -   unless we
> want to count Norway. Socialism as it's worked out in the real world
> concentrated the economic and political power in one elite even worse than
> the Capitalist systems.
>
> Fidel is not a sadist or lunatic. He is proven to be mistaken.  It much
> harder to reform a world full of well intentioned leaders who are
idealists
> and mistaken than it is to rid the world of lunatics and sadists.
>
> Nightbyrd
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "telebob x" <telebob98@hotmail.com>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 11:28 PM
> Subject: and furthermore etc.
>
>
> > Take a current example like Cuba, which has not been bombed and has not
> > suffered a war, but is far poorer today than it was more than forty
years
> > ago when Castro took power. In 1959, Cuba was the second richest country
> in
> > Latin America. Now it is the second poorest just before Haiti.
Naturally,
> > Chomskyites will claim that the U.S. economic boycott is responsible.
(The
> > devil made them do it.) But the whole rest of the world trades with
Cuba.
> > Cuba not only trades with all of Latin America and Europe, but receives
> aid
> > from the latter. Moreover, in the 1970s and 1980s, the Soviet Union gave
> > Cuba the equivalent of three Marshall Plans in economic subsidies and
> > assistance -- tens of billions of dollars. Cuba is a fertile island with
a
> > tropical climate. It is poor because it has followed Chomsky's examples,
> and
> > not America's. It is poor because it is socialist, Marxist and
Communist.
> It
> > is poor because it is run by a lunatic and sadist. It is poor because in
> > Cuba, America lost the Cold War. The poverty of Cuba is what Chomsky's
> > vision and political commitments would create for the entire world.
> >
> >
> > yeah...whut HE said....
> >
> > tele
> >
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