[Austin-ghetto-list] RE: Pearl Harbor Conspiracy

[Wayne Johnson]

I have heard this story many times.  It has occurred to me that, as an
ex-Naval guy, FDR (with concurrence from some others) found it useful to
send all the aircraft carriers out of Pearl...leaving the battleships
behind, thus sealing the fate of their use in the war.   There is NO doubt
that it was the carrier's that won the major sea battle...plus, look at what
the Navy does today!

Wayne

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Ford [mailto:jonmfordster@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 4:33 PM
To: jfbaldauf@prodigy.net; cadaobh2@brgnet.com;
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Subject: Pearl Harbor Conspiracy


Here's an interesting thing I heard on NPR yesterday-- has anybody
heard the story about how British intelligence told Churchill the
information  about the Japanese movement toward Pearl Harbor before the
attack, and Churchill,eager to get the reluctant USA into the war, kept the
info to himself? Pacifist, unAmerican conspiracy lies, or historical fact?

Jon


>From: "JIM  BALDAUF" <jfbaldauf@prodigy.net>
>To: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh2@brgnet.com>,
><austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Subject: Re: [Austin-ghetto-list] new yorker - ??
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2001 10:08:06 -0500
>
>
>Yes, Wayne:
>One would have to be a Mad Conspiracy Nut to think,
>as some do, that the government and CIA knew something
>was coming, welcomed it, but got much more than they
>bargained for! You'd have to be nuts to think, as some do,
>that if foreigners didn't do something, the government would
>have had to do something, in order to justify a mid-east oil
>grab. One would be nuts, indeed, to base such belief on mere
>decades of proven mis- and dis-information as well as proven
>self-inflicted or fabricated attacks such as The Maine, The Gulf
>of Tonkin, The McCarthy Era, The Contras and Opertion Monica
>to help "our" government justify attacks on "them" simply to help
>corporate America and its political henchmen.
>Nawww!! 'Never happen!!
>jb
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Wayne Johnson <cadaobh2@brgnet.com>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:32 AM
>Subject: RE: [Austin-ghetto-list] new yorker - ??
>
>
> > If one was to think "extremely paranoid conspiracy" thoughts, one might
>be
> > lead to ponder how beautifully this atrocity would fit in with a  "Bush
> > Plan" for turning the US into a semi-military state.  Sandra Day
>O'Connor
> > says this is a "miliatary" not a "judicial" problem.  Ashcroft is
>nibbling
> > away at the first ten amendments like a demented lemming, absolutely
> > everyone is "standing tall" behind the Prez in their best John Wayne
> > imitations...notably hard for Barbara Boxer.   Soon we will have "ID"
>cards,
> > just like the USSR/et al used to do.   We will have the army guarding
>major
> > buildings.  People who "look strange" will be held for indefinite
>periods
>of
> > time.   Anti-aircraft weaponry...and those what man/person them...at
>nuclear
> > plants.  ANY kind of privacy will be a thing of the past and one may
>soon
>be
> > considered un-American for even wanting same.
> >
> > This can be the turning point in this country's slow slide into the
> > Industrial-Military-Imperial Presidency (neo-Facist) morass.  Real
> > "democratic" participation in our government, perhaps in our own lives,
>will
> > become more of a fiction than it already is.   With a continued emphasis
>on
> > "testing" our schools will SORT and not EDUCATE.  Perhaps I should say
>they
> > will become even worse at this than they already are.  Creative
>expression
> > may become a sign of "dissatisfaction" and this "liberal" approach to
>life
> > will be suppressed.  People will be assigned a number at birth, their
> > "files=lives" fully available to anyone (read:business/government)
> > interested, the movements tracked across time and space, enormous data
>banks
> > brimming with credit history, school records, job records, dental
>records,
> > sunday school attendance records and anything else anyone might
> > want...weight, height, sexual orientation, voting history, "attitude"
>and
>on
> > and on.
> >
> > We saw this kind of crap happening while Hoover was in charge of the
>FBI,
> > virtually EVERYONE in the entertainment industry had a file/dossier.
>(He
> > was much more interested in Frank Sinatra's sex life then investigating
>the
> > assissination of JFK.)  So...we know this can happen.  Multiply this by,
> > say, a factor of ten and see what you get.   This couldn't have happened
>at
> > a better time...if this is what you think some people...like the
> > famous/infamous Bohemian Grove crowd...want to help them "manage" this
> > country/the world.
> >
> > The covert manipulation of the American consciousness as well as the
>actual
> > leadership has just been given an enormous boost.  We have found a "new
> > enemy" in keeping with the Republican Party's basic need for something
>to
> > whine about.   Well, I guess it is better to have Ben Laden...the CIA
> > trained and supported operative in our "Holy War against Communism" to
>kick
> > around than, say, American gays, lesbians, atheists, druids, jews,
>artists,
> > intellectuals and so forth.
> >
> > No, one wouldn't want to be considered a Mad Conspiracy Nut for thinking
>the
> > Utterly Unthinkable: this is not an accident, but part of an overall
> > plan...beginning with JFK, MLK, Bobby, Evars murders.  Notice how only
>the
> > "liberals" get killed.  Notice how quickly these get "resolved"?  How
> > "simple" the explanations are?   How "evidence" can disappear and
>records
>be
> > buried and/or lost? (Incidentally, what nationality is Sirhan Sirhan?
>If
> > Lebanese, he was most likely a hired gun, possibly hired by the same
>cabal
> > that killed his brother.)  What are these people afraid of?  Democracy?
> >
> > But since I surely don't want to be considered an MCN or even think of
> > challenging others for the Most Cynical Seat in the Ghetto Hall of
>Worries,
> > these thoughts must be considered...speculation.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> > [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of
> > StepCher@aol.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 6:51 PM
> > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net; Peter.Grace@bakernet.com
> > Subject: [Austin-ghetto-list] new yorker
> >
> >
> > The New Yorker, September 24, 2001
> > The Talk of the Town:  (Susan Sontag)
> >
> > The disconnect between last Tuesday's monstrous dose of reality and the
> > self-righteous drivel and outright deceptions being peddled by public
> > figures and TV commentators is startling, depressing. The voices
>licensed
>to
> > follow the event seem to have joined together in a campaign to
>infantilize
> > the public. Where is the acknowledgment that this was not a "cowardly"
> > attack on "civilization" or "liberty" or "humanity" or "the free world"
>but
> > an attack on the world's self-proclaimed superpower, undertaken as a
> > consequence of specific American alliances and actions? How many
>citizens
> > are aware of the ongoing American bombing of Iraq? And if the word
> > "cowardly" is to be used, it might be more aptly applied to those who
>kill
> > from beyond the range of retaliation, high in the sky, than to those
>willing
> > to die themselves in order to kill others. In the matter of courage (a
> > morally neutral virtue): whatever may be said of the perpetrators of
> > Tuesday's slaughter, they were not cowards.
> >
> > Our leaders are bent on convincing us that everything is O.K. America
> > is not afraid. Our spirit is unbroken, although this was a day that will
> > live in infamy and America is now at war. But everything is not O.K. And
> > this was not Pearl Harbor. We have a robotic President who assures us
>that
> > America still stands tall. A wide spectrum of public figures, in and out
>of
> > office, who are strongly opposed to the policies being pursued abroad by
> > this Administration apparently feel free to say nothing more than that
>they
> > stand united behind President Bush. A lot of thinking needs to be done,
>and
> > perhaps is being done in Washington and elsewhere, about the ineptitude
>of
> > American intelligence and counter-intelligence, about options available
>to
> > American foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, and about what
> > constitutes a smart program of military defense. But the public is not
>being
> > asked to bear much of the burden of reality. The unanimously applauded,
> > self-congratulatory bromides of a Soviet Party Congress seemed
>contemptible.
> > The unanimity of the sanctimonious, reality-concealing rhetoric spouted
>by
> > American officials and media commentators in recent days seems, well,
> > unworthy of a mature democracy.
> >
> > Those in public office have let us know that they consider their task
> > to be a manipulative one: confidence-building and grief management.
> > Politics, the politics of a democracy -- which entails disagreement,
>which
> > promotes candor -- has been replaced by psychotherapy. Let's by all
>means
> > grieve together. But let's not be stupid together. A few shreds of
> > historical awareness might help us understand what has just happened,
>and
> > what may continue to happen. "Our country is strong," we are told again
>and
> > again. I for one don't find this entirely consoling. Who doubts that
>America
> > is strong? But that's not all America has to be.
> >
> > -Susan Sontag
> >
> >
>
>


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