Pho
Igor Loving
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Sun Mar 14 11:47:08 2004
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<P>Yep</P>
<P>And there are no Vietnamese places on the head waters oif the Frio River.... drat<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Judith M. Herr" <HERRJ@COMCAST.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>>To: <AUSTIN-GHETTO-LIST@PAIRLIST.NET>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Pho
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 10:19:03 -0800
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Actually – there are lots of names for ….
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Corriander leaves (Chinese Parsley) = Cilantro = Yim Sai = Daun
<DIV></DIV>>Ketumbar
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<DIV></DIV>>(English) (Spanish)
<DIV></DIV>>(Chinese) (Southeast
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>-----Original Message-----
<DIV></DIV>>From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>>[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Frances Morey
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:41 AM
<DIV></DIV>>To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Pho
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Cilantro is sometimes referred to as Chinese parsley.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>FM
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Michael Eisenstadt <MICHAELE@ANDO.PAIR.COM>wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>some time back Houston White took me to a Vietnamese restaurant
<DIV></DIV>>(on N.Lamar just before 183) and introduced me to Pho so I know
<DIV></DIV>>what you're talking about. They served it with cilantro.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>----- Original Message -----
<DIV></DIV>>From: "Igor Loving"
<DIV></DIV>>To:
<DIV></DIV>>Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 9:09 AM
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: Frat of the Land--Restaurant meal size fix
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > It is the menu that is the culprit. I eat huge bowls of Pho all the time
<DIV></DIV>>which is 75% fish stock flavored with spices. If we all ate Vietnamese food
<DIV></DIV>>we'd be short and skinny... maybe? Or you can eat at EL Rancho and have
<DIV></DIV>>mole
<DIV></DIV>>enchiladas with cheese and chicken , grease and beans and rice plus a whole
<DIV></DIV>>bag of chips or shrimp enchiladas with spinach and cream sauce with charro
<DIV></DIV>>beans and rice... And the serving is good for three people which I gobble
<DIV></DIV>>up. Maybe we should elect Emiril President so we can have food laws?.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > >From: Frances Morey
<DIV></DIV>> > >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>> > >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
<DIV></DIV>> > >Subject: Frat of the Land--Restaurant meal size fix
<DIV></DIV>> > >Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 01:54:11 -0800 (PST)
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Dave,
<DIV></DIV>> > >It is a thorny problem, having the government or the lawyers any more
<DIV></DIV>>involved in food industry rights and wrongs than they already are with
<DIV></DIV>>permits, inspections, standards, etc. Kerry could certainly admonish the
<DIV></DIV>>food industry to heal themselves without additional governmental
<DIV></DIV>>intervention by simply offering more 400 and 500 calorie meals for average
<DIV></DIV>>sized people who are intelligent enough to choose to control their weight
<DIV></DIV>>and not just cater to the people impressed by wrteched excess whose eyes,
<DIV></DIV>>imagined needs and budgets are bigger than their stomachs. I'm not so sure
<DIV></DIV>>that laws and law suits are the answer due to the ubiquitous nature of the
<DIV></DIV>>problem. Court cases and fines have little to do with feeding massive
<DIV></DIV>>numbers of people who eat 50% of their meals away from home.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Instead of dithering about the tax cut, though, I think he should
<DIV></DIV>>declare
<DIV></DIV>>that time has come to double the minimum wage. That way the working people
<DIV></DIV>>in the food industry can enjoy a poor man's stock-split and take pride in
<DIV></DIV>>their employment. Double up stocks-splits aren't just for shareholders
<DIV></DIV>>anymore but should be broadened to include those for whom labor is their
<DIV></DIV>>stock in trade. Gee, they could make up the difference by just reducing the
<DIV></DIV>>size of some of the meals they offer, charging one third less for half size
<DIV></DIV>>meals.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Oh, but the price of fast food would skyrocket. So what, I hear there
<DIV></DIV>>are
<DIV></DIV>>places called grocery stores where people can actually buy very reasonably
<DIV></DIV>>priced food and actually prepare meals at home. Grocery stores are also a
<DIV></DIV>>part of the food industry. Are fast food workers to be treated as if they
<DIV></DIV>>are today's version of slaves, earning half of what it is estimated that it
<DIV></DIV>>costs to live? If all the minimum wage workers in America suddenly got paid
<DIV></DIV>>twice as much as they are now earning the economy would recover at warp
<DIV></DIV>>speed.
<DIV></DIV>> > >That is what I would do if I were Kerry. Fighting conservative political
<DIV></DIV>>rhetoric with a few good ideas in the spirit of nobless oblige--that could
<DIV></DIV>>bring out voters for the Democrats.
<DIV></DIV>> > >Your lil' ol' home economist,
<DIV></DIV>> > >Frances
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >dmcqklaatu@netscape.net wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >I watched the debate on this on CSPAN. Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee
<DIV></DIV>>of Houston tried heroically to derail it, but couldn't. One of the
<DIV></DIV>>Republican arguments for the bill...swear to God...was that Santa Claus was
<DIV></DIV>>fat, and happy.
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > >Frances Morey wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The problem is that restaurants only offer too-much-food per order.
<DIV></DIV>>You
<DIV></DIV>>cannot order and consume a small meal in any known restaurant. It is as if
<DIV></DIV>>they engage in amount and price fixing across the board. Small meals aren't
<DIV></DIV>>offered on the menu, period! That's the problem! These establishments do
<DIV></DIV>>indeed make you fat if you cannot order half size meals for half the money
<DIV></DIV>>to suit your body's needs rather than the restaurant's bottom line. The
<DIV></DIV>>coertion involved that ought to be made illegal is ignoring the
<DIV></DIV>>requirements
<DIV></DIV>>of smaller people and only serving meals that might be about right for
<DIV></DIV>>professional football players or ironworkers and which are generally a
<DIV></DIV>>quantity large enough to feed a family of four.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >People typically finish their plate, now platter, no matter how much
<DIV></DIV>>is
<DIV></DIV>>on it and that is where the obesity comes from. Restaurant culpability is
<DIV></DIV>>in
<DIV></DIV>>failing to offer the smaller size meal choices on their menus--and present
<DIV></DIV>>the customer a plate that it's okay to finish.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >FM
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >David Rubinson wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 08:03:04 -0500
<DIV></DIV>> > > >To: (Recipient list suppressed)
<DIV></DIV>> > > >From: David Rubinson
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Subject: Fat of the Land
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Children grow up in the "developed" countries bombarded with messages
<DIV></DIV>>to CONSUME.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >An endless repetitive assault of advertising, PR, and subliminal
<DIV></DIV>>brainwashing.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Americans grossly over consume- and food is just one small item.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >We have exported our desperate consumption everywhere on the planet.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >So now children of the lucky countries we have decided to "develop"
<DIV></DIV>>are
<DIV></DIV>>also getting obese.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Diabetes is epidemic.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The corporations who maliciously push this over consumption call the
<DIV></DIV>>rewards they glean - "PROFIT."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Profit - from their children's gullilbility and defenselessness.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Profit from selling poison and planet-destroying "product."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Their CEOs grab millions from the process, their shareholders crow
<DIV></DIV>>about the earnings ratios.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >And lives are being ruined on a global basis.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >These corporations make very sure to send a lot of the "profits" along
<DIV></DIV>>to the rule makers, senators, congresspeople, government regulators.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >And so, those sworn to protect us abandon us, abandon their own
<DIV></DIV>>children- in the pursuit of monetary gain.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >They take money and let us die.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >It's that simple.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >There has been a Radical Regime Change -- and if that's OK with you,
<DIV></DIV>>then do nothing.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >---------------------------------
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/11/politics/11BURG.html?th
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >March 11, 2004
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Vote in House Offers a Shield for Restaurants in Obesity SuitsBy CARL
<DIV></DIV>>HULSE
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >WASHINGTON, March 10 ­ Saying overeating is a problem for individuals,
<DIV></DIV>>not the courts, the House easily approved legislation on Wednesday to bar
<DIV></DIV>>people from suing restaurants on the ground that their food makes customers
<DIV></DIV>>fat.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Advocates of the Republican-written measure, which has become known on
<DIV></DIV>>Capitol Hill as the cheeseburger bill, said it was needed to curb the
<DIV></DIV>>threat
<DIV></DIV>>of obesity claims against fast-food franchises that provide millions of
<DIV></DIV>>jobs
<DIV></DIV>>along with their burgers and fries.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"The food industry is under attack and in the cross hairs of the same
<DIV></DIV>>trial lawyers who went after big tobacco," said Representative Ric Keller,
<DIV></DIV>>a
<DIV></DIV>>Florida Republican who is the chief sponsor of the measure, which was
<DIV></DIV>>adopted 276 to 139.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The White House endorsed the bill on Wednesday, saying in a statement
<DIV></DIV>>that "food manufacturers and sellers should not be held liable for injury
<DIV></DIV>>because of a person's consumption of legal, unadulterated food and a
<DIV></DIV>>person's weight gain or obesity."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The outlook is unclear in the Senate, where Democrats have blocked
<DIV></DIV>>consideration of such limitations on lawsuits. The main sponsor, however,
<DIV></DIV>>is
<DIV></DIV>>the No. 2 Republican, Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"This bill says, `Don't run off and file a lawsuit if you are fat,' "
<DIV></DIV>>said Representative F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Republican of Wisconsin,
<DIV></DIV>>chairman of the Judiciary Committee. "It says, `Look in the mirror because
<DIV></DIV>>you're the one to blame.' "
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Opponents said the legislation was unnecessary and irresponsible in
<DIV></DIV>>light of this week's government report identifying obesity as a condition
<DIV></DIV>>fast catching up to tobacco as the No. 1 preventable cause of death in the
<DIV></DIV>>United States. Democrats said the fact that the House was devoting almost a
<DIV></DIV>>full day to the proposal illustrated the misplaced priorities of the
<DIV></DIV>>Republican majority.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"With all the challenges facing this country and with the limited
<DIV></DIV>>schedule set by the Republicans this year, is this the best bill to
<DIV></DIV>>consider?" asked Representative Jim McGovern, Democrat of Massachusetts.
<DIV></DIV>>"Under the Republican leadership, this House has become a place where
<DIV></DIV>>trivial issues are debated passionately and serious ones not at all."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The measure was the latest Republican-led effort to provide legal
<DIV></DIV>>immunity for a specific industry after efforts to impose broader limits
<DIV></DIV>>have
<DIV></DIV>>been blocked. Last week, a measure to provide immunity to gun manufacturers
<DIV></DIV>>and dealers was defeated. Last year, a broad energy measure stalled over
<DIV></DIV>>resistance to granting immunity to producers of a gasoline additive blamed
<DIV></DIV>>for water pollution. In the past, Republicans pressed for immunity for the
<DIV></DIV>>tobacco industry and producers of vaccines.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >While Republicans on the House floor said there had been a spate of
<DIV></DIV>>such suits against restaurants, Democrats said there had been few.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >John Banzhaf, a law professor at George Washington University who has
<DIV></DIV>>been a main critic of the measure, said that he knew of only one suit that
<DIV></DIV>>would be covered by the measure and that it had been dismissed in court.
<DIV></DIV>>Professor Banzhaf said a handful of other such suits had proceeded based on
<DIV></DIV>>labeling and ingredients. He also acknowledged that there were lawyers
<DIV></DIV>>exploring suing restaurants over obesity.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"There seems to be a hysteria that a couple of law professors are
<DIV></DIV>>going
<DIV></DIV>>to pick on poor little defenseless companies like McDonald's, Kraft and
<DIV></DIV>>KFC," Professor Banzhaf said. "It just doesn't make sense."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Supporters said the mere prospect of lawsuits justified the measure,
<DIV></DIV>>which the House majority leader, Tom DeLay of Texas, said was intended to
<DIV></DIV>>discourage the "Ronald McDonald made me do it defense."
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"It is ridiculous that we even need to do a bill like this, but we
<DIV></DIV>>do,"
<DIV></DIV>>Mr. DeLay said.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >The legislation is formally known as the Personal Responsibility in
<DIV></DIV>>Food Consumption Act. It would bar new cases and dismiss pending federal
<DIV></DIV>>and
<DIV></DIV>>state suits in which damages are sought as compensation for conditions
<DIV></DIV>>connected to weight gain or obesity attributed to restaurant food. The
<DIV></DIV>>authors said it would not prevent suits brought because of a restaurant's
<DIV></DIV>>negligence, false advertising, mislabeling or tainted food.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Though the bill was championed by Republicans, 55 Democrats joined 221
<DIV></DIV>>Republicans in supporting it. Opposing it were 137 Democrats, one
<DIV></DIV>>Republican
<DIV></DIV>>and one independent.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >Democratic critics failed in multiple efforts to win changes in the
<DIV></DIV>>measure, which was backed by the National Restaurant Association and the
<DIV></DIV>>National Federation of Independent Businesses and opposed by some legal and
<DIV></DIV>>health interests.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"For small-business owners, the threat of a frivolous lawsuit remains
<DIV></DIV>>one of their greatest worries," Jack Faris, president of the business
<DIV></DIV>>group,
<DIV></DIV>>said.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >But Dr. Neal Barnard, president of the Physicians Committee for
<DIV></DIV>>Responsible Medicine, called the measure unwise because obesity was gaining
<DIV></DIV>>new recognition as a significant health problem.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
<DIV></DIV>> > > >"Given that we are just now beginning to discover the industry's
<DIV></DIV>>involvement, granting them sweeping immunity is, at best, dangerously
<DIV></DIV>>short-sighted," Dr. Barnard said.
<DIV></DIV>> > > >
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