ME turmoil

[Wayne Johnson]

This is a direct quote from our Greenwich Village correspondant....."war
mongering, mammon
worshiping, soulless american."  I think it is kinda cute myself.

Jesus is reputedly born around what we now call 1 AD, which is probably 4 AD
as accounts are mixed.

Muhammed arrives on the scene much later.  The Israelites have been kicking
around the Dead Sea/Jordan area for who knows how long.  They were displaced
originally, I think, by Assyrians or some other warring tribe and wound up
over in Egypt.  After leaving E. they traveled around in what is now south
Iraq where they picked up a bunch of new ideas from other tribes (like Angel
Messangers, from I think, the Zoroastrians.)  This region was a real hot bed
of religious and mythical fervor with many, many, many religions in the
area, some still around, most gone missing.  There have been Jews or people
we now call Jews or Semites there for thousands of years.  Except for more
recent additions, they are genetically indentical to everyone else in that
area.  Have to go to Egypt or Southern Arabia to find more distinct
differences due to their blending with Africans and Asians.  Whole vicinity
one big genetic soup with everyone related to everyone else from four or
five thousand years ago.  So much trade, so much travel, so much warfare
with resultant, uh, mixing of genes.  Things begin to sort out more clearly
with the rise of the more successful city states like Babylon, later
Athenian league (ca. 450 BC) etc.  Romans really began the work of
identifying people as to where they were born because they were recording
and taxing fanatics.

Islam is a relilgion with its basis in the Old Testament. If you pick up a
translation of the Koran, one of the things you see right away is how
important Moses is in Islamic religious history.  Jesus is considered a
major prophet.  No disagreement there, but the overall "tone", I guess, is
that of codified Arabic/Bedouin/Tuareg/Nomadic et al tribal beliefs.  Many
of these still exist, in horrifying ways like female castration, in parts of
the Sudan today.  These are not specific to the Koran,  they are tribal
traditions.  Much of what is their is "tribal knowledge" just like the Old
Testament.

Well, enough of my amateur history.  Best talk to others on the web,
especially Mike E. with much better facts and figures at their disposal.

Hope this gets you started.

wayne
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:12 AM
Subject: Re: ME turmoil


> Please explain to this naif, what "WMMWSA" (white,
> married male with substance abuse?) means.
>
> What I want to know is who came first? Christ or
> Muhammed? (Was Muhammed 800 A.D.?)  I know, I could go
> look it up in the library, but it's easier this way.
> When and why, in historical terms, did the Israelites
> leave Jerusalem?  In the Diaspora? And wasn't that Way
> Back? I know that at the time of Jesus, his people
> called the place home.  Where were the Arabs then? I
> swear, I think Christians helped dig the rift between
> Arabs and Jews--if they hadn't been out treasure
> hunting and murdering everyone in their path, the
> place might have stood a chance!
>
> The Spaniards already had their fill of a Fascist
> regime--they didn't need the Bush agenda to rob them
> of the tenuous freedom they've enjoyed since Franco's
> demise.
>
> And friends from Canada say, "You should see what Bush
> looks like OUTSIDE the U.S." The whole world is topsy
> turvy, and Shrub is just a poor, stupid mofo like
> everyone else (I want to say the rest of us, but fear
> the reprisals).  I kind of feel sorry for the dude--if
> I were truly Christian, I would say, he cain't he'p
> it!  "There must be some way outta here, ..."
>
> pep
> --- Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
> > Cher.
> >
> > Well, speaking as one WMMWSA to another, what I have
> > read is that most
> > Europeans are perfectly capable of distinguishing
> > between our dumb-ass
> > Facist Prez and the rest of us.  Of course, I
> > haven't been there recently so
> > I could be wrong.  Blair isn't terribly high on
> > anyone's list either.  The
> > new Spanish government, however, looks quite
> > promising.  Social(istically)
> > speaking.
> >
> > Yours in war and mammon mongering,
> > wj
> >
> > btw.  While 9/11 had Israel as a contributing
> > factor, we have made our,
> > uh...or maybe, ugh....presence felt in the ME for
> > sufficient time to warrant
> > our own hate list.  Think CIA.  Think Iran. Think
> > GOP support of Saddam
> > through the years.
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Stephanie Chernikowski"
> > <stephaniecher@earthlink.net>
> > To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: "our sponsorship of Israel brought on
> > 9/11" -- I am quoting
> > Gerry Storm
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 10:41 AM, Michael
> > Eisenstadt wrote:
> > >
> > > > please dont make that pig Sharon into a
> > synecdoche for
> > > > jews in general.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > most of the people i know, especially jews,
> > dislike sharon, myself
> > > included. i kinda feel it is not unlike what is
> > happening here. bush
> > > doesn't represent me, yet i am condemned as a war
> > mongering, mammon
> > > worshiping, soulless american because of him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Stephanie Chernikowski
> > > StepCherPhoto.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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