let's not do nuance
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Sun Mar 28 15:54:20 2004
Hmm, Jon, you might try drilling a small hole in your forehead, thus letting
your brain case directly "experience" full atmospheric air pressure. I
understand this was tried once back in the Bad Old Haight Days as a means of
achieving a Permanent High. Not sure whether the practioner survived. He
may have been in Holland somewhere and not have noticed his own death.
Maybe it would be better to have a Permanent Wave!
Revlon Rules!
Curly
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: let's not do nuance
>
> Now Wayne---don't it just feel right to have a big old cuddly S-O-U-L? If
I
> believed in one (unfortunately-- I can't; I lack the capacity for such
> delusion) , I'm sure I could throw all my drugs away because I"D BE ON A
> PERMANENT HIGH! Thank you Jesus!!!!!
>
> Jon
>
> >From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Subject: Re: let's not do nuance
> >Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:20:24 -0500
> >
> >Oh, I wish I didn't feel compelled to write this. I know, just know,
> that I
> >will surely regret it. But I just can't find any sane and
> >non-Transcendental argument for the existence of a "soul".
I
> really,
> >really wish it were true and that we could all come back again, but my
> >belief is that when the "biological" light goes out...it
stays
> out. Finito!
> >No mas!
> >
> >From my perspective, we have some tens of thousands of years of
> "wishful"
> >thinking aided and abetted by a bunch of semi-literate, semi-criminals
> who
> >wish to profit by spreading mystical and irrational beliefs. Did
Arthur
> go
> >to Avalon? Probably not, as much as I would like it to be so. Ain't
> going
> >to see him again. Nor any other person what has kicked the
> "biological"
> >bucket. Doornails is doornails and when you is gone, you is over.
> >
> >So. What do I have to look forward to? Not a damn thing. Is that
> >existential or what?
> >
> >Cheers until then...."Happy Trails to You, until we meet
> again".
> >
> >wj
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Pepi Plowman" <pepstoil@yahoo.com>
> >To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> >Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:32 PM
> >Subject: Re: let's try to do nuance
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@ando.pair.com> wrote:
> > > > Pepi,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for writing at length about this.
> > > >
> > > > No, I don't speak it.
> > > >
> > > > In Hebrew school (to prepare for confirmation at 13
> > > > for the sake of my religious grandmother who would
> > > > have had a fit if I wasn't confirmed), we used to
> > > > say
> > > > Baruch ator, I don't know anymore.
> > > >
> > > > Baruch ator are the first 2 words of all the
> > > > prayers.
> > > > Actually we worked our way through quite a bit of
> > > > Genesis reading it in the original which was my
> > > > original
> > > > introduction to the ENORMOUS charm of reading a
> > > > foreign language.When I slowly worked my way through
> > > >
> > > > one of the books of the Iliad in the original many
> > > > years
> > > > later, I thought back to Miss Snow with the enormous
> > > >
> > > > boobs driving us like Gadarene swine through the
> > > > beginning
> > > > of the bible.
> > >
> > > Amusing visuals here!
> > >
> > > >
> > > > As for your and your sisters' previous lives, that
> > > > sounds
> > > > like hard work.
> > >
> > > Seems like it always is.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Let me get this straight: the jews burnt in the
> > > > ovens
> > > > came back as the Plowman sisters (or some of the
> > > > Plowman sisters); the Nazis who died came back as
> > > > Israelis.
> > > >
> > > > I still come back to this simple question: if you
> > > > and your
> > > > sisters love all people all that much, how do you
> > > > come
> > > > to the conclusion that the Israelis are reborn
> > > > Nazis?
> > >
> > > A few Israelis, perhaps. Certainly, not all. This is
> > > merely supposition, in any case, as we both know. But
> > > I would say by observing the ones who manifest a
> > > similar persona with a similar agenda (except for the
> > > reversal of the victims), however you would describe a
> > > Nazi. Sharon, perhaps? Hey, for all we know, Arafat
> > > may have been a Jew in his past lifetime!
> > > >
> > >
> > > > You write:
> > > >
> > > > > But may you not hate too much, it's bad for the
> > > > soul
> > > > > (I know, you don't believe in its existence. Oh,
> > > > > well, so be it).
> > > >
> > > > I'm not the hater. I was taking exception to other
> > > > folks'
> > > > hatred. Is that allowed in your scheme of things?
> > >
> > > You were taking exception to others with your
> > > assumption that they hated--sometimes an incorrect
> > > one. And certainly, we've already been here...you're
> > > allowed to be as incorrect as you like, and I'm
> > > allowed to perceive you that way, whether you see it
> > > that way or not.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And yes, it is totally bad for the soul. I believe
> > > > in the
> > > > existence of the soul, I just don't believe in its
> > > > survival
> > > > after death. That's for cowards who don't want to
> > > > accept that they must die and stay dead.
> > >
> > > Death is a part of Life--they're not opposites--our
> > > energies continue into perpetuity. Any scientist will
> > > tell you that there is no energy on earth that can be
> > > made to disappear completely--it merely transforms
> > > into something else.
> > >
> > > It has nothing to do with being a coward or not. If
> > > one leaves one's body and is awake, as everyone does
> > > when sleeping, it's enough proof for me that there is
> > > a soul. You're crossing a room. No, you're floating
> > > across the room. You look down at your body. No
> > > body. A light the color of a Peace Rose. Is that
> > > Life?
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And I aint got no agenda.
> > >
> > > Well, good, I'm glad to hear that!
> > >
> > > If you or others want to
> > > > believe in up to 5 impossible things before
> > > > breakfast
> > > > like the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland, hey! be
> > > > my guest!
> > > >
> > > Thanks, my friend, for taking a different tone with
> > > me.
> > >
> > > Best to you,
> > >
> > > Pepi
> > > > Best,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > P.S. When it comes to learning foreign languages,
> > > > unless
> > > > one is a very talented linguini, you hafta choose
> > > > which
> > > > one or two or three is it is worth learning in terms
> > > > of
> > > > what's written in said languages. Having been an
> > > > Asian monk
> > > > in a previous life, have you learnt or remembered
> > > > how to
> > > > speak or read Asian monk books? Or is that
> > > > considered
> > > > unnecessary.
> > > >
> > > Mostly, as I understand it, a veil drops when people
> > > are born, hiding past lives from them. Some people
> > > have bleedthroughs, like me and my sisters. I have
> > > the ability (and so do my sisters) to learn any
> > > language on earth, if we were to spend time in that
> > > country. I've had Chinese friends and learned a few
> > > words from them, but I've never been immersed in the
> > > language; I've taken a couple of semesters of
> > > Japanese, have a great accent and that is all--I loved
> > > writing the kanji; the same could be said for German,
> > > except I took it in high school for two years and
> > > never opened the book (I thought it an ugly language);
> > > I speak and write Spanish and French; defend myself in
> > > Italian; have translated Portuguese; took three years
> > > of Latin (but never bothered to study, so can't say I
> > > really know it); can understand just about any Latin-
> > > based language when spoken to me. My sister speaks
> > > and writes really GOOD Spanish, Italian, French and
> > > German; speaks Hebrew and some Arabic; wants to learn
> > > Russian. I want to learn Chinese. Life isn't long
> > > enough to learn every language or to remember every
> > > past life.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
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