Bubbadential ideas you listed for us, Yes Virginian, there is Clause for Doubt...
Wayne Johnson
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Tue Mar 30 17:22:22 2004
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I certainly do not agree with this silly argument about literacy. =
Having said that, it is interesting to note that the plays of Euripedes, =
Sophocles, et al were performed to very "literate" who knew the =
Iliad/Odyssey/other writings by dint of memorizing them. There were =
schools which specialized in Mnemonics. Incidentally, their "old" =
methods still work very well for anyone who can endure the discipline. =
There is one really famous guy who Mike E. can probably remember the =
name of, although I cannot at this moment. =20
wj
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From: Frances Morey=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Bubbadential ideas you listed for us, Yes Virginian, =
there is Clause for Doubt...
Wayne,
Only law students are required to memorize it, the GB address.=20
That list of thoughts was a lovely paen to literacy. Then again, I =
also think I heard on NPR that human intelligence potential dropped with =
the invention of writing! Before writing they had to memorize whole =
plays, tracts, poems etc. to preserve and pass them on to future =
generations by lifelong retelling to preserve the ideas. When writing =
comes about there is no longer the need to develop the brain as a =
repository to store all the great stuff. Makes sense.
Frances
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
Listened last night...on the radio...to Carl Sandurg reading =
selections from
Abraham Lincoln and not the G'bug address. I wasn't paying early =
attention
but I think what I heard was an address to Congress.
Thoughts:
No President in the past fifty or sixty years appears to have =
written his
own speechs.
No President in my memory (which goes back to FDR) has had anywhere =
near the
eloquence and depth of thought as Lincoln.
No President would *dare* to debate either Lincoln or =
Douglas...especially
for say, four or five hours. They would look like monkeys
if they tried.
No Presidential candidate in the last fifty years could produce =
anything
remotely resembling the G. Address in terms of depth of meaning to =
length of
speech. And all who were there expected something much, much longer.
As American History is replaced by something called "Social =
Studies", fewer
and fewer people will ever read or hear what this man says or have =
any kind
of exposure to him and his thinking except for the most simplicistic =
and
superficial.
Well, most Nation States have had there lumiinous and gifted =
leaders, then
sank into the mire of History. The US will do the same. Hope the =
Chinese
have some good Historians.
wj
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I certainly do not agree with this =
silly argument=20
about literacy. Having said that, it is interesting to note that =
the plays=20
of Euripedes, Sophocles, et al were performed to very "literate" =
who knew=20
the Iliad/Odyssey/other writings by dint of memorizing them. There =
were=20
schools which specialized in Mnemonics. Incidentally, their "old" =
methods=20
still work very well for anyone who can endure the discipline. =
There is=20
one really famous guy who Mike E. can probably remember the name of, =
although I=20
cannot at this moment. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wj</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Bubbadential ideas =
you=20
listed for us, Yes Virginian, there is Clause for Doubt...</DIV>
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<DIV>Wayne,</DIV>
<DIV>Only law students are required to memorize it, the GB address. =
</DIV>
<DIV>That list of thoughts was a lovely paen to literacy. Then again, =
I also=20
think I heard on NPR that human intelligence potential dropped with =
the=20
invention of writing! Before writing they had to memorize whole plays, =
tracts,=20
poems etc. to preserve and pass them on to future generations by =
lifelong=20
retelling to preserve the ideas. When writing comes about there is no=20
longer the need to develop the brain as a repository to =
store all=20
the great stuff. Makes sense.</DIV>
<DIV>Frances<BR><BR><B><I>Wayne Johnson =
<cadaobh@shentel.net></I></B>=20
wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px =
solid">Listened=20
last night...on the radio...to Carl Sandurg reading selections=20
from<BR>Abraham Lincoln and not the G'bug address. I wasn't paying =
early=20
attention<BR>but I think what I heard was an address to=20
Congress.<BR><BR>Thoughts:<BR><BR>No President in the past fifty or =
sixty=20
years appears to have written his<BR>own speechs.<BR><BR>No =
President in my=20
memory (which goes back to FDR) has had anywhere near =
the<BR>eloquence and=20
depth of thought as Lincoln.<BR><BR>No President would *dare* to =
debate=20
either Lincoln or Douglas...especially<BR>for say, four or five =
hours. They=20
would look like monkeys<BR>if they tried.<BR><BR>No Presidential =
candidate=20
in the last fifty years could produce anything<BR>remotely =
resembling the G.=20
Address in terms of depth of meaning to length of<BR>speech. And all =
who=20
were there expected something much, much longer.<BR><BR>As American =
History=20
is replaced by something called "Social Studies", fewer<BR>and fewer =
people=20
will ever read or hear what this man says or have any kind<BR>of =
exposure to=20
him and his thinking except for the most simplicistic=20
and<BR>superficial.<BR><BR>Well, most Nation States have had there =
lumiinous=20
and gifted leaders, then<BR>sank into the mire of History. The US =
will do=20
the same. Hope the Chinese<BR>have some good=20
Historians.<BR><BR>wj<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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