Underengineered 'Murken Bomber
Gerry Storm
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Yes, the B-36's were a huge bucket of bolts. The noise and vibrations =
could drive a crew out of their minds. But they served their purpose for =
a short time until technology found a better solution.
Out little com center on an island off the coast of North Korea was =
often called upon to assist in "missions" wherein an RB-47 from Japan =
would fly over North Korea, across the sea to the Chinese coast and then =
inland for a time before turning and returning. Eventually the Chinese =
developed the technology to challenge these flights. We tracked them by =
intercepting Chinese radar reports (morse code), on a big map at our ops =
center, grease pens on a plastic overlay. This was in '56/'57. Sometimes =
they would turn around before reaching the coast. Sometimes they were =
shot down. Always at some point we were ordered to cease tracking. We =
would wonder what happened to those crews. I would guess that their =
chances of returning from one of these missions were no better than =
50/50. Recently found out that our detachment left the island a couple =
of years after I did, no correspondents on the internet that I could =
find. No more missions over China in those aircraft...replaced, no =
doubt, by U-2's.
Occasionally there would be a write-up in the Stars and Stripes about =
the fate of an RB-47 on a "routine weather recognizance" mission being =
shot down over "international waters" by the scum bag Chicoms. We knew =
better of course.
I used to see them on the ground at Tachikawa AFB in Japan, awesome =
machines, bristling with antennae and striking paint jobs, big drooping =
wings, like a great insect. You can find them by the hundreds now in the =
Arizona desert graveyards for old military aircraft around Tucson. Kind =
of a sad fate. I remember them as the ultimate tactical machine in the =
Cold War, flying so high you could barely see them, on their way to =
danger of the most extreme sort. But as a strategic aircraft they were =
not in the same league as the B-52's, nothing is. It is said that some =
of the old B-52 jockeys can fly those things through the eye of a =
needle, bank them like fighters and climb nearly straight up.=20
A/2C Gerald Storm, AFSC 18488399
6922nd Radio Group Mobile, Detachment 2
Paengryongdo, Korea
Currently on assignment with the Mimbreno Air Force in the deserts of =
NM,
G
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Byron Black=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:43 AM
Subject: Underengineered 'Murken Bomber
My understanding is that it was Pentagon politics that doomed the =
YB-49, John Northrop's 'pure-wing' dream that was so far ahead of its =
time. The B-36 was a cobbled-together hodge-podge that my Dad (SAC =
Major) said was terrificaly unreliable, particularly in the =
piston-engine section (six piston radials, two little jet pods on the =
end of the non-swept-back wings, if you recall). I remember seeing them =
when we lived at Limestone/Loring AFB up at the tip of Maine, in 1952.
The B-52 has exceeded all expectations and continues to perform to =
this day, but I have read that it is for all its bulk a quite =
uncomfortable and user-unfriendly plane for the crew to fly in (in spite =
of the $400 toilet seats -- remember that brouhaha?). Few creature =
comforts for those 13-hour flights to nowhere, circling North America =
and watching for the Russkies.
Then don't forget the B-47 'Stratojet' (sounds like some bulbous beast =
from GM), which came between the B-36 and the B-52. Little itsy-bitsy =
landing gear assemblies at the end of the wingtips. Weird.
Quote:
B-47 research and development began in 1945 with the first prototype =
flight in December 1947. The Air Force wanted a high-altitude, =
medium-range, subsonic bomber. At that time, four contractors were =
developing bombers. Two designs were conventional bombers in the mold of =
the B-29, while the more radical designs were the Northrop flying wing =
and the Boeing swept wing jet. In this era before the SAM, fighter =
aircraft were considered the main threat to bombers. World War II had =
shown that stripped down B-29's with near-fighter speed and a higher =
altitude ceiling could only be successfully intercepted from the rear.=20
With the speed and maneuverability of the fighters of the late =
forties, Boeing's swept-wing XB-47 won the bomber competition and =
swiftly transformed the XB-46 and the XB-48 into aviation footnotes. Six =
Allison J35-2 turbojet engines slung in pods beneath the swept-back =
wings gave the prototype Stratojet nimble performance, and helped to =
validate a design concept still widely used today. Although uprated =
J47-GE-3s were soon substituted, the B-47 also carried mountings for 18 =
solid-fuel booster rockets in the aft fuselage to shorten the takeoff =
roll. Flight testing continued through 1951, and B-47's began entering =
the inventory in 1952. ICBMs and SLBMs did not yet exist, and the =
penetrating bomber was the only nuclear strike vehicle available. A =
total of 2,039 B-47's were funded and built in a serial production that =
lasted until 1956.=20
The B-47 was the first pure jet strategic bomber whose many unique =
features included six jet engines; a two-engine, pylon-mounted pod under =
each wing near the fuselage; and a single-engine pod further outboard. =
The wings were attached high on the fuselage and swept 35. The design =
incorporated a revolutionary bicycle-type, retractable main landing gear =
with single, two-wheel struts on the forward and aft fuselage. Outrigger =
wheels added lateral stability and retracted into the two-engine pod =
cowling. The B-47 was 107 feet long, 28 feet high at the tail, and had a =
wing span of 116 feet. The crew consisted of a pilot, copilot, and =
bombardier. With a maximum gross weight of about 204,000 pounds, it used =
rocket assist on takeoff. A tail chute was used to slow down the =
aircraft during landings.=20
Although heavier than the heaviest World War II bomber, the B-47 was =
designed to be a medium-range penetrator with approximately a 3,500-nm =
range. This was not a problem in the early 1950's since forward basing =
was available in the United Kingdom, Spain, Morocco, Guam, and Alaska. =
In addition, the B-47 was equipped with an air refueling capability and, =
on several occasions, 36-hour missions were flown. Thus, when it =
initially entered the inventory, its range was sufficient.=20
The aircraft's payload capacity was limited to 20,000 pounds =
internally. Since nuclear weapons were large in the early 1950's, the =
bomb bay was limited to one or two of high yield. But this lack of =
payload capacity was compensated for by the large numbers of B-47's that =
were purchased (at a cost of less than $2 million per airplane) which =
resulted in an acceptable overall weapon delivery capacity. The B-47 was =
also capable of carrying 13 500-pound or 8 1,000-pound conventional =
bombs.52 Although no B-47 squadron was ever equipped with any type of =
missile, the B-47 was used on several occasions as a test aircraft for =
missile launches. The biggest aid to the B-47 payload was nuclear weapon =
technology which developed smaller weapons.=20
Serial production made incorporating changes easier; the most numerous =
models were the B and E series. There were many production improvements =
made to include more powerful engines with water injection, the addition =
of tail guns, ejection seats, increased maximum gross weight, and bomb =
bay modifications for new weapons technology. Once deployed, =
modifications were numerous. The most significant was the structural =
revision to convert the B-47 from a high to a low altitude penetrator =
due to the development of Soviet SAMs in the mid 1950's. In May 1960, =
Gary Powers' U-2 was shot down by a Soviet SAM, vividly demonstrating =
Soviet high altitude defense capabilities.=20
Besides structural modifications, ECM and other avionics were updated. =
Some B-47's were modified into reconnaissance and other specialized =
aircraft. Since space was a limitation, most aircraft modified for =
reconnaissance and special missions were not capable of carrying bombs. =
However, the RB-47B could be converted back to a bomber. The B-47 had =
the capability to be modified but was restricted by space limitations.=20
By 1956, B-47 deployment reached its peak with over 1,300 assigned to =
SAC. In addition about 250 RB-47s were in SAC at that time. =
Subsequently, phase out of the B-47 took place in the 1960s. In 1960 =
there were still almost 1,100 B-47s. This dropped to about 400 in 1964 =
and in 1966 the last B-47 had been phased out though a few RB-47s were =
retained until 1967. The phase out of the B-47 medium bomber coincided =
with the rapid build up of ICBM and SLBM deployment by the US.=20
The B-47's were phased out in the early 1960's with the last ones =
leaving the inventory by the end of 1965. The B-47 had shown flexibility =
in adapting to a low level mission profile that was required by the =
introduction of SAMs. But modifications to a large fleet (especially =
structural modifications) cost vast sums of money. Moreover, forward =
basing of strategic nuclear forces was becoming unpopular with our =
allies, and there was not enough tanker support to make up the range =
difference for CONUS basing of all the B-47's. The B-58, planned as a =
replacement for the B-47, started entering the inventory in 1960. Also, =
the B-52, designed as an outgrowth of the B-47, was proving to be a very =
capable strategic bomber. Thus, the combination of mission profile =
changes, which limited B-47's usefulness and the emergence of a =
replacement medium-range bomber and a truly long-range strategic bomber, =
led to the retirement of the B-47's after 14 years of service.=20
In summary, the B-47 was a technological innovation in bomber aircraft =
design with swept wings, jet engines, the ability to be air refueled, =
and an operational envelope equal to the fighter aircraft of the early =
1950's. The Stratojet was also one of the more beautiful airplanes to =
grace America's skies. However, it was a medium-range bomber that had =
limitations on space, payload, and range. When deployed, the B-47 was =
adequate to perform its designed mission. While it was able to adapt to =
changes in the threat at significant cost, it was not able to keep up =
with a heightened threat and greater range requirements, thus making =
other available aircraft that did the job better more viable.=20
Ah for those days of, er, hmm, maybe not so either, heh heh.
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----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gerry Storm=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Weird War Craft
When I was in pre-lang training at Kelly AFB our building was =
occasionally shaken by a great monster warming up on a runway about 1/2 =
mile away. It was the C-99, cargo version of the B-36. At the time it =
was the largest aircraft ever built and I believe still the largest =
motor driven aircraft ever. Only saw it take off once, usually they just =
ran it down the runway a ways. It was said that they could load an =
entire brigade (or whatever) on this monster, men, equipment and all, =
but finding an landing strip large enough to accomodate it was not easy, =
nor was the return trip flying it empty.
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C-99
Ah yes, the days of the piston engined aircraft, with the B-36 =
reigning supreme--until the B-52 (one of the great triumphs of American =
techology) came along and put it into mothballs. Those of us born and =
raised in Texas were priviledged to see them in our skies and hear their =
mighty roars and dream that one day we would fly or at least ride in =
one...alas, I spent most of my flying days in one not so grand, the =
C-119, better known as the "pregnant guppie".
G
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Byron Black=20
To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:34 AM
Subject: Weird War Craft
Well since we've strayed this far off the thread I'll just chime =
in a say how much I've always admired weirdo aeronautical designs. When =
my dear old Dad was station at Carswell AFB we lived in a housing =
development just across Lake Worth. I remember seeing the YB-49 taking =
off once - came right over our house.=20
Almost as thrilling as seeing the Muntz TV salesman bring one of =
his sets into our living room and then proceed to slap and kick the shit =
out of it while it played on merrily, Uncle Miltie smiling through the =
abuse.
Me and my brother George had never seen anything like that, not =
ever before. I don't think my Dad bought the Muntz though.
I always wanted a Dumont. It was in black and white, like the rest =
of the world, but had a bluish fluorescent collar around the picture =
tube which lit up while you watched Red Skelton being supremely unfunny =
(always broke up laughing at his own crap for one thing, unlike Spike =
Jones: the funnier he got the more disgusted he looked).
Far enough off the thread yet?
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To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:41 AM
Subject: RE: Thunderbolt!!
> Blackhawk flew A thunderbolt in the later comics, he started =
with the old aircobra which he garnered in Poland durinf the blitz =
kreig, then it was the P-38 and after WWII there were the jets. All =
could land on a postage stamp. The band was made up of Olaf the Swede, =
Chop Chop the Chinese, Andre the Frenchman and a German and a =
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> John Huston in "Chinatown" pronounces Jake Gittes name as Mr. =
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> Ghetts? What mean star pronounces another actor's name that =
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> mispronouncing it on purpose rather, over and over, even though =
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> Subject: ghetts?
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<DIV>Yes, the B-36's were a huge bucket of bolts. The noise and =
vibrations could=20
drive a crew out of their minds. But they served their purpose for a =
short time=20
until technology found a better solution.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Out little com center on an island off the coast of North Korea was =
often=20
called upon to assist in "missions" wherein an RB-47 from Japan would =
fly over=20
North Korea, across the sea to the Chinese coast and then inland for a =
time=20
before turning and returning. Eventually the Chinese developed the =
technology to=20
challenge these flights. We tracked them by intercepting Chinese radar =
reports=20
(morse code), on a big map at our ops center, grease pens on a plastic =
overlay.=20
This was in '56/'57. Sometimes they would turn around before =
reaching the=20
coast. Sometimes they were shot down. Always at some point we were =
ordered to=20
cease tracking. We would wonder what happened to those crews. I would =
guess that=20
their chances of returning from one of these missions were no better =
than 50/50.=20
Recently found out that our detachment left the island a couple of years =
after I=20
did, no correspondents on the internet that I could find. No more =
missions over=20
China in those aircraft...replaced, no doubt, by U-2's.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Occasionally there would be a write-up in the Stars=20
and Stripes about the fate of an RB-47 on a "routine weather=20
recognizance" mission being shot down over "international waters" by the =
scum=20
bag Chicoms. We knew better of course.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I used to see them on the ground at Tachikawa AFB in Japan, awesome =
machines, bristling with antennae and striking paint jobs, big =
drooping=20
wings, like a great insect. You can find them by the hundreds now in the =
Arizona=20
desert graveyards for old military aircraft around Tucson. Kind of a sad =
fate. I=20
remember them as the ultimate tactical machine in the Cold War, flying =
so high=20
you could barely see them, on their way to danger of the most extreme =
sort. But=20
as a strategic aircraft they were not in the same league as the B-52's, =
nothing=20
is. It is said that some of the old B-52 jockeys can fly those things =
through=20
the eye of a needle, bank them like fighters and climb nearly straight =
up.=20
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>A/2C Gerald Storm, AFSC 18488399</DIV>
<DIV>6922nd Radio Group Mobile, Detachment 2</DIV>
<DIV>Paengryongdo, Korea</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Currently on assignment with the Mimbreno Air Force in the deserts =
of=20
NM,</DIV>
<DIV>G</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Underengineered =
'Murken=20
Bomber</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My understanding is that it was =
Pentagon politics=20
that doomed the YB-49, John Northrop's 'pure-wing' dream that was so =
far ahead=20
of its time. The B-36 was a cobbled-together hodge-podge that my Dad =
(SAC=20
Major) said was terrificaly unreliable, particularly in the =
piston-engine=20
section (six piston radials, two little jet pods on the end of the=20
non-swept-back wings, if you recall). I remember seeing them when we =
lived at=20
Limestone/Loring AFB up at the tip of Maine, in 1952.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The B-52 has exceeded all =
expectations and=20
continues to perform to this day, but I have read that it is for all =
its bulk=20
a quite uncomfortable and user-unfriendly plane for the crew to fly in =
(in=20
spite of the $400 toilet seats -- remember that brouhaha?). Few =
creature=20
comforts for those 13-hour flights to nowhere, circling North America =
and=20
watching for the Russkies.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG alt=3D"" hspace=3D0=20
src=3D"cid:002201c448b8$86025a60$f5daead8@oemcomputer" =
align=3Dbaseline=20
border=3D0></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then don't forget the B-47 =
'Stratojet' (sounds=20
like some bulbous beast from GM), which came between the B-36 and the =
B-52.=20
Little itsy-bitsy landing gear assemblies at the end of the wingtips.=20
Weird.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Quote:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV>
<P>B-47 research and development began in 1945 with the first =
prototype flight=20
in December 1947. The Air Force wanted a high-altitude, medium-range, =
subsonic=20
bomber. At that time, four contractors were developing bombers. Two =
designs=20
were conventional bombers in the mold of the B-29, while the more =
radical=20
designs were the Northrop flying wing and the Boeing swept wing jet. =
In this=20
era before the SAM, fighter aircraft were considered the main threat =
to=20
bombers. World War II had shown that stripped down B-29's with =
near-fighter=20
speed and a higher altitude ceiling could only be successfully =
intercepted=20
from the rear.=20
<P>With the speed and maneuverability of the fighters of the late =
forties,=20
Boeing's swept-wing XB-47 won the bomber competition and swiftly =
transformed=20
the XB-46 and the XB-48 into aviation footnotes. Six Allison J35-2 =
turbojet=20
engines slung in pods beneath the swept-back wings gave the prototype=20
Stratojet nimble performance, and helped to validate a design concept =
still=20
widely used today. Although uprated J47-GE-3s were soon substituted, =
the B-47=20
also carried mountings for 18 solid-fuel booster rockets in the aft =
fuselage=20
to shorten the takeoff roll. Flight testing continued through 1951, =
and B-47's=20
began entering the inventory in 1952. ICBMs and SLBMs did not yet =
exist, and=20
the penetrating bomber was the only nuclear strike vehicle available. =
A total=20
of 2,039 B-47's were funded and built in a serial production that =
lasted until=20
1956.=20
<P>The B-47 was the first pure jet strategic bomber whose many unique =
features=20
included six jet engines; a two-engine, pylon-mounted pod under each =
wing near=20
the fuselage; and a single-engine pod further outboard. The wings were =
attached high on the fuselage and swept 35. The design incorporated a=20
revolutionary bicycle-type, retractable main landing gear with single, =
two-wheel struts on the forward and aft fuselage. Outrigger wheels =
added=20
lateral stability and retracted into the two-engine pod cowling. The =
B-47 was=20
107 feet long, 28 feet high at the tail, and had a wing span of 116 =
feet. The=20
crew consisted of a pilot, copilot, and bombardier. With a maximum =
gross=20
weight of about 204,000 pounds, it used rocket assist on takeoff. A =
tail chute=20
was used to slow down the aircraft during landings.=20
<P>Although heavier than the heaviest World War II bomber, the B-47 =
was=20
designed to be a medium-range penetrator with approximately a 3,500-nm =
range.=20
This was not a problem in the early 1950's since forward basing was =
available=20
in the United Kingdom, Spain, Morocco, Guam, and Alaska. In addition, =
the B-47=20
was equipped with an air refueling capability and, on several =
occasions,=20
36-hour missions were flown. Thus, when it initially entered the =
inventory,=20
its range was sufficient.=20
<P>The aircraft's payload capacity was limited to 20,000 pounds =
internally.=20
Since nuclear weapons were large in the early 1950's, the bomb bay was =
limited=20
to one or two of high yield. But this lack of payload capacity was =
compensated=20
for by the large numbers of B-47's that were purchased (at a cost of =
less than=20
$2 million per airplane) which resulted in an acceptable overall =
weapon=20
delivery capacity. The B-47 was also capable of carrying 13 500-pound =
or 8=20
1,000-pound conventional bombs.52 Although no B-47 squadron was ever =
equipped=20
with any type of missile, the B-47 was used on several occasions as a =
test=20
aircraft for missile launches. The biggest aid to the B-47 payload was =
nuclear=20
weapon technology which developed smaller weapons.=20
<P>Serial production made incorporating changes easier; the most =
numerous=20
models were the B and E series. There were many production =
improvements made=20
to include more powerful engines with water injection, the addition of =
tail=20
guns, ejection seats, increased maximum gross weight, and bomb bay=20
modifications for new weapons technology. Once deployed, modifications =
were=20
numerous. The most significant was the structural revision to convert =
the B-47=20
from a high to a low altitude penetrator due to the development of =
Soviet SAMs=20
in the mid 1950's. In May 1960, Gary Powers' U-2 was shot down by a =
Soviet=20
SAM, vividly demonstrating Soviet high altitude defense capabilities.=20
<P>Besides structural modifications, ECM and other avionics were =
updated. Some=20
B-47's were modified into reconnaissance and other specialized =
aircraft. Since=20
space was a limitation, most aircraft modified for reconnaissance and =
special=20
missions were not capable of carrying bombs. However, the RB-47B could =
be=20
converted back to a bomber. The B-47 had the capability to be modified =
but was=20
restricted by space limitations.=20
<P>By 1956, B-47 deployment reached its peak with over 1,300 assigned =
to SAC.=20
In addition about 250 RB-47s were in SAC at that time. Subsequently, =
phase out=20
of the B-47 took place in the 1960s. In 1960 there were still almost =
1,100=20
B-47s. This dropped to about 400 in 1964 and in 1966 the last B-47 had =
been=20
phased out though a few RB-47s were retained until 1967. The phase out =
of the=20
B-47 medium bomber coincided with the rapid build up of ICBM and SLBM=20
deployment by the US.=20
<P>The B-47's were phased out in the early 1960's with the last ones =
leaving=20
the inventory by the end of 1965. The B-47 had shown flexibility in =
adapting=20
to a low level mission profile that was required by the introduction =
of SAMs.=20
But modifications to a large fleet (especially structural =
modifications) cost=20
vast sums of money. Moreover, forward basing of strategic nuclear =
forces was=20
becoming unpopular with our allies, and there was not enough tanker =
support to=20
make up the range difference for CONUS basing of all the B-47's. The =
B-58,=20
planned as a replacement for the B-47, started entering the inventory =
in 1960.=20
Also, the B-52, designed as an outgrowth of the B-47, was proving to =
be a very=20
capable strategic bomber. Thus, the combination of mission profile =
changes,=20
which limited B-47's usefulness and the emergence of a replacement=20
medium-range bomber and a truly long-range strategic bomber, led to =
the=20
retirement of the B-47's after 14 years of service.=20
<P>In summary, the B-47 was a technological innovation in bomber =
aircraft=20
design with swept wings, jet engines, the ability to be air refueled, =
and an=20
operational envelope equal to the fighter aircraft of the early =
1950's. The=20
Stratojet was also one of the more beautiful airplanes to grace =
America's=20
skies. However, it was a medium-range bomber that had limitations on =
space,=20
payload, and range. When deployed, the B-47 was adequate to perform =
its=20
designed mission. While it was able to adapt to changes in the threat =
at=20
significant cost, it was not able to keep up with a heightened threat =
and=20
greater range requirements, thus making other available aircraft that =
did the=20
job better more viable. </P></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><BR>Ah for those days of, er, hmm, maybe not so either, heh =
heh.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dmesmo@gilanet.com href=3D"mailto:mesmo@gilanet.com">Gerry =
Storm</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, =
2004 8:06=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weird War =
Craft</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>When I was in pre-lang training at Kelly AFB our building was=20
occasionally shaken by a great monster warming up on a runway about =
1/2 mile=20
away. It was the C-99, cargo version of the B-36. At the time it was =
the=20
largest aircraft ever built and I believe still the largest motor =
driven=20
aircraft ever. Only saw it take off once, usually they just ran it =
down the=20
runway a ways. It was said that they could load an entire brigade =
(or=20
whatever) on this monster, men, equipment and all, but finding an =
landing=20
strip large enough to accomodate it was not easy, nor was the return =
trip=20
flying it empty.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><A=20
=
href=3D"http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C=
-99">http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C-99=
</A></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ah yes, the days of the piston engined aircraft, with the B-36 =
reigning=20
supreme--until the B-52 (one of the great triumphs of American =
techology)=20
came along and put it into mothballs. Those of us born and raised in =
Texas=20
were priviledged to see them in our skies and hear their mighty =
roars and=20
dream that one day we would fly or at least ride in one...alas, I =
spent most=20
of my flying days in one not so grand, the C-119, better known as =
the=20
"pregnant guppie".</DIV>
<DIV>G</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dblacky@cbn.net.id =
href=3D"mailto:blacky@cbn.net.id">Byron Black</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
=
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, =
2004 6:34=20
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Weird War =
Craft</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well since we've strayed this far =
off the=20
thread I'll just chime in a say how much I've always admired =
weirdo=20
aeronautical designs. When my dear old Dad was station at Carswell =
AFB we=20
lived in a housing development just across Lake Worth. I remember =
seeing=20
the YB-49 taking off once - came right over our house. =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Almost as thrilling as seeing the =
Muntz TV=20
salesman bring one of his sets into our living room and then =
proceed to=20
slap and kick the shit out of it while it played on merrily, Uncle =
Miltie=20
smiling through the abuse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Me and my brother George had =
never seen=20
anything like that, not ever before. I don't think my Dad bought =
the Muntz=20
though.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I always wanted a Dumont. It was =
in black and=20
white, like the rest of the world, but had a bluish fluorescent =
collar=20
around the picture tube which lit up while you watched Red Skelton =
being=20
supremely unfunny (always broke up laughing at his own crap for =
one thing,=20
unlike Spike Jones: the funnier he got the more disgusted he=20
looked).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Far enough off the thread =
yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "IgorLoving" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:lovingigor@earthlink.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>lovingigor@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 =
3:41=20
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: RE: =
Thunderbolt!!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>> Blackhawk flew A thunderbolt in the =
later comics,=20
he started with the old aircobra which he garnered in Poland =
durinf the=20
blitz kreig, then it was the P-38 and after WWII there were the =
jets. All=20
could land on a postage stamp. The band was made up of Olaf the =
Swede,=20
Chop Chop the Chinese, Andre the Frenchman and a German and a=20
Yougoslav???? nal Message-----<BR>> From: telebob =
<</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:telebob@sbcglobal.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>telebob@sbcglobal.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>><BR>> Sent: May 23, 2004 3:07 PM<BR>> To: =
</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> Subject: RE: Trivia Thunderbolt!!<BR>> <BR>> =
John Huston=20
in "Chinatown" pronounces Jake Gittes name as Mr. =
Ghitts<BR>>=20
consistently, though Nicholson corrects him and Huston's character =
ignores<BR>> the corrections.<BR>> <BR>> Did I get it =
right Mr.=20
BBBBBB?<BR>> <BR>> teleBubby<BR>> -----Original=20
Message-----<BR>> From: </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial size=3D2>> =
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On=20
Behalf Of Byron Black<BR>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 =
4:35=20
PM<BR>> To: </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> Subject: Trivia Thunderbolt!!<BR>> =
<BR>> <BR>>=20
TRIVIA ALARM! TRIVIA ALARM!<BR>> <BR>> Ghetts? =
What=20
mean star pronounces another actor's name that way,<BR>> =
mispronouncing=20
it on purpose rather, over and over, even though the other<BR>> =
fellow=20
patiently tells him how to pronounce it? Great movie too!<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
(Got to be somebody here who'll get it)<BR>> <BR>> =
=20
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB<BR>> ----- Original =
Message=20
-----<BR>> From: Michael Eisenstadt<BR>>=20
To: </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:45 =
PM<BR>>=20
Subject: ghetts?<BR>> <BR>> <BR>>=20
that is an ugly word because it sounds so =
ugly<BR>>=20
were one to say it. have you ever uttered =
it,<BR>>=20
Frances? Try it, you won't like it.<BR>> =
<BR>>=20
Mike<BR>> <BR>>=20
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