Underengineered 'Murken Bomber

Wayne Johnson austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
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I believe that the only "official" footage of the Flying Wing is in =
George Pal's "War of the Worlds." =20

These are two great summaries of these planes.  I seem to recall a lot =
of B-47s in the James Stewart movie Strategic Air Command with, =
naturally, June Allyson.  American home-fried propaganda at its =
Hollywood best.

wj
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gerry Storm=20
  To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
  Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:44 AM
  Subject: Re: Underengineered 'Murken Bomber


  Yes, the B-36's were a huge bucket of bolts. The noise and vibrations =
could drive a crew out of their minds. But they served their purpose for =
a short time until technology found a better solution.

  Out little com center on an island off the coast of North Korea was =
often called upon to assist in "missions" wherein an RB-47 from Japan =
would fly over North Korea, across the sea to the Chinese coast and then =
inland for a time before turning and returning. Eventually the Chinese =
developed the technology to challenge these flights. We tracked them by =
intercepting Chinese radar reports (morse code), on a big map at our ops =
center, grease pens on a plastic overlay. This was in '56/'57. Sometimes =
they would turn around before reaching the coast. Sometimes they were =
shot down. Always at some point we were ordered to cease tracking. We =
would wonder what happened to those crews. I would guess that their =
chances of returning from one of these missions were no better than =
50/50. Recently found out that our detachment left the island a couple =
of years after I did, no correspondents on the internet that I could =
find. No more missions over China in those aircraft...replaced, no =
doubt, by U-2's.

  Occasionally there would be a write-up in the Stars and Stripes about =
the fate of an RB-47 on a "routine weather recognizance" mission being =
shot down over "international waters" by the scum bag Chicoms. We knew =
better of course.

  I used to see them on the ground at Tachikawa AFB in Japan, awesome =
machines, bristling with antennae and striking paint jobs, big drooping =
wings, like a great insect. You can find them by the hundreds now in the =
Arizona desert graveyards for old military aircraft around Tucson. Kind =
of a sad fate. I remember them as the ultimate tactical machine in the =
Cold War, flying so high you could barely see them, on their way to =
danger of the most extreme sort. But as a strategic aircraft they were =
not in the same league as the B-52's, nothing is. It is said that some =
of the old B-52 jockeys can fly those things through the eye of a =
needle, bank them like fighters and climb nearly straight up.=20

  A/2C Gerald Storm, AFSC 18488399
  6922nd Radio Group Mobile, Detachment 2
  Paengryongdo, Korea

  Currently on assignment with the Mimbreno Air Force in the deserts of =
NM,
  G

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Byron Black=20
    To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
    Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:43 AM
    Subject: Underengineered 'Murken Bomber


    My understanding is that it was Pentagon politics that doomed the =
YB-49, John Northrop's 'pure-wing' dream that was so far ahead of its =
time. The B-36 was a cobbled-together hodge-podge that my Dad (SAC =
Major) said was terrificaly unreliable, particularly in the =
piston-engine section (six piston radials, two little jet pods on the =
end of the non-swept-back wings, if you recall). I remember seeing them =
when we lived at Limestone/Loring AFB up at the tip of Maine, in 1952.

    The B-52 has exceeded all expectations and continues to perform to =
this day, but I have read that it is for all its bulk a quite =
uncomfortable and user-unfriendly plane for the crew to fly in (in spite =
of the $400 toilet seats -- remember that brouhaha?). Few creature =
comforts for those 13-hour flights to nowhere, circling North America =
and watching for the Russkies.

    Then don't forget the B-47 'Stratojet' (sounds like some bulbous =
beast from GM), which came between the B-36 and the B-52. Little =
itsy-bitsy landing gear assemblies at the end of the wingtips. Weird.

    Quote:

    B-47 research and development began in 1945 with the first prototype =
flight in December 1947. The Air Force wanted a high-altitude, =
medium-range, subsonic bomber. At that time, four contractors were =
developing bombers. Two designs were conventional bombers in the mold of =
the B-29, while the more radical designs were the Northrop flying wing =
and the Boeing swept wing jet. In this era before the SAM, fighter =
aircraft were considered the main threat to bombers. World War II had =
shown that stripped down B-29's with near-fighter speed and a higher =
altitude ceiling could only be successfully intercepted from the rear.=20

    With the speed and maneuverability of the fighters of the late =
forties, Boeing's swept-wing XB-47 won the bomber competition and =
swiftly transformed the XB-46 and the XB-48 into aviation footnotes. Six =
Allison J35-2 turbojet engines slung in pods beneath the swept-back =
wings gave the prototype Stratojet nimble performance, and helped to =
validate a design concept still widely used today. Although uprated =
J47-GE-3s were soon substituted, the B-47 also carried mountings for 18 =
solid-fuel booster rockets in the aft fuselage to shorten the takeoff =
roll. Flight testing continued through 1951, and B-47's began entering =
the inventory in 1952. ICBMs and SLBMs did not yet exist, and the =
penetrating bomber was the only nuclear strike vehicle available. A =
total of 2,039 B-47's were funded and built in a serial production that =
lasted until 1956.=20

    The B-47 was the first pure jet strategic bomber whose many unique =
features included six jet engines; a two-engine, pylon-mounted pod under =
each wing near the fuselage; and a single-engine pod further outboard. =
The wings were attached high on the fuselage and swept 35. The design =
incorporated a revolutionary bicycle-type, retractable main landing gear =
with single, two-wheel struts on the forward and aft fuselage. Outrigger =
wheels added lateral stability and retracted into the two-engine pod =
cowling. The B-47 was 107 feet long, 28 feet high at the tail, and had a =
wing span of 116 feet. The crew consisted of a pilot, copilot, and =
bombardier. With a maximum gross weight of about 204,000 pounds, it used =
rocket assist on takeoff. A tail chute was used to slow down the =
aircraft during landings.=20

    Although heavier than the heaviest World War II bomber, the B-47 was =
designed to be a medium-range penetrator with approximately a 3,500-nm =
range. This was not a problem in the early 1950's since forward basing =
was available in the United Kingdom, Spain, Morocco, Guam, and Alaska. =
In addition, the B-47 was equipped with an air refueling capability and, =
on several occasions, 36-hour missions were flown. Thus, when it =
initially entered the inventory, its range was sufficient.=20

    The aircraft's payload capacity was limited to 20,000 pounds =
internally. Since nuclear weapons were large in the early 1950's, the =
bomb bay was limited to one or two of high yield. But this lack of =
payload capacity was compensated for by the large numbers of B-47's that =
were purchased (at a cost of less than $2 million per airplane) which =
resulted in an acceptable overall weapon delivery capacity. The B-47 was =
also capable of carrying 13 500-pound or 8 1,000-pound conventional =
bombs.52 Although no B-47 squadron was ever equipped with any type of =
missile, the B-47 was used on several occasions as a test aircraft for =
missile launches. The biggest aid to the B-47 payload was nuclear weapon =
technology which developed smaller weapons.=20

    Serial production made incorporating changes easier; the most =
numerous models were the B and E series. There were many production =
improvements made to include more powerful engines with water injection, =
the addition of tail guns, ejection seats, increased maximum gross =
weight, and bomb bay modifications for new weapons technology. Once =
deployed, modifications were numerous. The most significant was the =
structural revision to convert the B-47 from a high to a low altitude =
penetrator due to the development of Soviet SAMs in the mid 1950's. In =
May 1960, Gary Powers' U-2 was shot down by a Soviet SAM, vividly =
demonstrating Soviet high altitude defense capabilities.=20

    Besides structural modifications, ECM and other avionics were =
updated. Some B-47's were modified into reconnaissance and other =
specialized aircraft. Since space was a limitation, most aircraft =
modified for reconnaissance and special missions were not capable of =
carrying bombs. However, the RB-47B could be converted back to a bomber. =
The B-47 had the capability to be modified but was restricted by space =
limitations.=20

    By 1956, B-47 deployment reached its peak with over 1,300 assigned =
to SAC. In addition about 250 RB-47s were in SAC at that time. =
Subsequently, phase out of the B-47 took place in the 1960s. In 1960 =
there were still almost 1,100 B-47s. This dropped to about 400 in 1964 =
and in 1966 the last B-47 had been phased out though a few RB-47s were =
retained until 1967. The phase out of the B-47 medium bomber coincided =
with the rapid build up of ICBM and SLBM deployment by the US.=20

    The B-47's were phased out in the early 1960's with the last ones =
leaving the inventory by the end of 1965. The B-47 had shown flexibility =
in adapting to a low level mission profile that was required by the =
introduction of SAMs. But modifications to a large fleet (especially =
structural modifications) cost vast sums of money. Moreover, forward =
basing of strategic nuclear forces was becoming unpopular with our =
allies, and there was not enough tanker support to make up the range =
difference for CONUS basing of all the B-47's. The B-58, planned as a =
replacement for the B-47, started entering the inventory in 1960. Also, =
the B-52, designed as an outgrowth of the B-47, was proving to be a very =
capable strategic bomber. Thus, the combination of mission profile =
changes, which limited B-47's usefulness and the emergence of a =
replacement medium-range bomber and a truly long-range strategic bomber, =
led to the retirement of the B-47's after 14 years of service.=20

    In summary, the B-47 was a technological innovation in bomber =
aircraft design with swept wings, jet engines, the ability to be air =
refueled, and an operational envelope equal to the fighter aircraft of =
the early 1950's. The Stratojet was also one of the more beautiful =
airplanes to grace America's skies. However, it was a medium-range =
bomber that had limitations on space, payload, and range. When deployed, =
the B-47 was adequate to perform its designed mission. While it was able =
to adapt to changes in the threat at significant cost, it was not able =
to keep up with a heightened threat and greater range requirements, thus =
making other available aircraft that did the job better more viable.=20


    Ah for those days of, er, hmm, maybe not so either, heh heh.

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      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Gerry Storm=20
      To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
      Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 8:06 PM
      Subject: Re: Weird War Craft


      When I was in pre-lang training at Kelly AFB our building was =
occasionally shaken by a great monster warming up on a runway about 1/2 =
mile away. It was the C-99, cargo version of the B-36. At the time it =
was the largest aircraft ever built and I believe still the largest =
motor driven aircraft ever. Only saw it take off once, usually they just =
ran it down the runway a ways. It was said that they could load an =
entire brigade (or whatever) on this monster, men, equipment and all, =
but finding an landing strip large enough to accomodate it was not easy, =
nor was the return trip flying it empty.

      =
http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C-99

      Ah yes, the days of the piston engined aircraft, with the B-36 =
reigning supreme--until the B-52 (one of the great triumphs of American =
techology) came along and put it into mothballs. Those of us born and =
raised in Texas were priviledged to see them in our skies and hear their =
mighty roars and dream that one day we would fly or at least ride in =
one...alas, I spent most of my flying days in one not so grand, the =
C-119, better known as the "pregnant guppie".
      G


        ----- Original Message -----=20
        From: Byron Black=20
        To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
        Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 6:34 AM
        Subject: Weird War Craft


        Well since we've strayed this far off the thread I'll just chime =
in a say how much I've always admired weirdo aeronautical designs. When =
my dear old Dad was station at Carswell AFB we lived in a housing =
development just across Lake Worth. I remember seeing the YB-49 taking =
off once - came right over our house.=20

        Almost as thrilling as seeing the Muntz TV salesman bring one of =
his sets into our living room and then proceed to slap and kick the shit =
out of it while it played on merrily, Uncle Miltie smiling through the =
abuse.

        Me and my brother George had never seen anything like that, not =
ever before. I don't think my Dad bought the Muntz though.

        I always wanted a Dumont. It was in black and white, like the =
rest of the world, but had a bluish fluorescent collar around the =
picture tube which lit up while you watched Red Skelton being supremely =
unfunny (always broke up laughing at his own crap for one thing, unlike =
Spike Jones: the funnier he got the more disgusted he looked).

        Far enough off the thread yet?

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        From: "IgorLoving" <lovingigor@earthlink.net>
        To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
        Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 3:41 AM
        Subject: RE: Thunderbolt!!


        > Blackhawk flew A thunderbolt in the later comics, he started =
with the old aircobra which he garnered in Poland durinf the blitz =
kreig, then it was the P-38 and after WWII there were the jets. All =
could land on a postage stamp. The band was made up of Olaf the Swede, =
Chop Chop the Chinese, Andre the Frenchman and a German and a =
Yougoslav????  nal Message-----
        > From: telebob <telebob@sbcglobal.net>
        > Sent: May 23, 2004 3:07 PM
        > To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
        > Subject: RE: Trivia Thunderbolt!!
        >=20
        > John Huston in "Chinatown"  pronounces Jake Gittes name as Mr. =
Ghitts
        > consistently, though Nicholson corrects him and Huston's =
character ignores
        > the corrections.
        >=20
        > Did I get it right Mr. BBBBBB?
        >=20
        > teleBubby
        >   -----Original Message-----
        >   From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
        > [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On Behalf Of =
Byron Black
        >   Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 4:35 PM
        >   To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
        >   Subject: Trivia Thunderbolt!!
        >=20
        >=20
        >   TRIVIA ALARM! TRIVIA ALARM!
        >=20
        >   Ghetts? What mean star pronounces another actor's name that =
way,
        > mispronouncing it on purpose rather, over and over, even =
though the other
        > fellow patiently tells him how to pronounce it? Great movie =
too!
        >=20
        >   (Got to be somebody here who'll get it)
        >=20
        >   BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
        >     ----- Original Message -----
        >     From: Michael Eisenstadt
        >     To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
        >     Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 10:45 PM
        >     Subject: ghetts?
        >=20
        >=20
        >     that is an ugly word because it sounds so ugly
        >     were one to say it. have you ever uttered it,
        >     Frances? Try it, you won't like it.
        >=20
        >     Mike
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I believe that the only "official" =
footage of the=20
Flying Wing is in George Pal's "War of the Worlds."&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are two great summaries of these=20
planes.&nbsp; I seem to recall a lot of B-47s in the James Stewart movie =

Strategic Air Command with, naturally, June Allyson.&nbsp; American =
home-fried=20
propaganda at its Hollywood best.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>wj</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dmesmo@gilanet.com href=3D"mailto:mesmo@gilanet.com">Gerry =
Storm</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, 2004 =
11:44=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Underengineered =
'Murken=20
  Bomber</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Yes, the B-36's were a huge bucket of bolts. The noise and =
vibrations=20
  could drive a crew out of their minds. But they served their purpose =
for a=20
  short time until technology found a better solution.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Out little com center on an island off the coast of North Korea =
was often=20
  called upon to assist in "missions" wherein an RB-47 from Japan would =
fly over=20
  North Korea, across the sea to the Chinese coast and then inland for a =
time=20
  before turning and returning. Eventually the Chinese developed the =
technology=20
  to challenge these flights. We tracked them by intercepting Chinese =
radar=20
  reports (morse code), on a big map at our ops center, grease pens on a =
plastic=20
  overlay. This was in '56/'57. Sometimes they would turn =
around&nbsp;before=20
  reaching the coast. Sometimes they were shot down. Always at some =
point we=20
  were ordered to cease tracking. We would wonder what happened to those =
crews.=20
  I would guess that their chances of returning from one of these =
missions were=20
  no better than 50/50. Recently found out that our detachment left the =
island a=20
  couple of years after I did, no correspondents on the internet that I =
could=20
  find. No more missions over China in those aircraft...replaced, no =
doubt, by=20
  U-2's.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Occasionally there would be a write-up in the&nbsp;Stars=20
  and&nbsp;Stripes&nbsp;about the fate of an RB-47 on a "routine weather =

  recognizance" mission being shot down over "international waters" by =
the scum=20
  bag Chicoms. We knew better of course.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I used to see them on the ground at Tachikawa AFB in Japan, =
awesome=20
  machines, bristling with antennae and&nbsp;striking paint jobs, big =
drooping=20
  wings, like a great insect. You can find them by the hundreds now in =
the=20
  Arizona desert graveyards for old military aircraft around Tucson. =
Kind of a=20
  sad fate. I remember them as the ultimate tactical machine in the Cold =
War,=20
  flying so high you could barely see them, on their way to danger of =
the most=20
  extreme sort. But as a strategic aircraft they were not in the same =
league as=20
  the B-52's, nothing is. It is said that some of the old B-52 jockeys =
can fly=20
  those things through the eye of a needle, bank them like fighters and =
climb=20
  nearly straight up. </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A/2C Gerald Storm, AFSC 18488399</DIV>
  <DIV>6922nd Radio Group Mobile, Detachment 2</DIV>
  <DIV>Paengryongdo, Korea</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Currently on assignment with the Mimbreno Air Force in the =
deserts of=20
  NM,</DIV>
  <DIV>G</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, =
2004 8:43=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Underengineered =
'Murken=20
    Bomber</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My understanding is that it was =
Pentagon=20
    politics that doomed the YB-49, John Northrop's 'pure-wing' dream =
that was=20
    so far ahead of its time. The B-36 was a cobbled-together =
hodge-podge that=20
    my Dad (SAC Major) said was terrificaly unreliable, particularly in =
the=20
    piston-engine section (six piston radials, two little jet pods on =
the end of=20
    the non-swept-back wings, if you recall). I remember seeing them =
when we=20
    lived at Limestone/Loring AFB up at the tip of Maine, in =
1952.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The B-52 has exceeded all =
expectations and=20
    continues to perform to this day, but I have read that it is for all =
its=20
    bulk a quite uncomfortable and user-unfriendly plane for the crew to =
fly in=20
    (in spite of the $400 toilet seats -- remember that brouhaha?). Few =
creature=20
    comforts for those 13-hour flights to nowhere, circling North =
America and=20
    watching for the Russkies.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><IMG alt=3D"" hspace=3D0=20
    src=3D"cid:001701c448de$9d7e5ba0$341e6fcc@wayne8wvactdtz" =
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    border=3D0></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Then don't forget the B-47 =
'Stratojet' (sounds=20
    like some bulbous beast from GM), which came between the B-36 and =
the B-52.=20
    Little itsy-bitsy landing gear assemblies at the end of the =
wingtips.=20
    Weird.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Quote:</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>
    <P>B-47 research and development began in 1945 with the first =
prototype=20
    flight in December 1947. The Air Force wanted a high-altitude, =
medium-range,=20
    subsonic bomber. At that time, four contractors were developing =
bombers. Two=20
    designs were conventional bombers in the mold of the B-29, while the =
more=20
    radical designs were the Northrop flying wing and the Boeing swept =
wing jet.=20
    In this era before the SAM, fighter aircraft were considered the =
main threat=20
    to bombers. World War II had shown that stripped down B-29's with=20
    near-fighter speed and a higher altitude ceiling could only be =
successfully=20
    intercepted from the rear.=20
    <P>With the speed and maneuverability of the fighters of the late =
forties,=20
    Boeing's swept-wing XB-47 won the bomber competition and swiftly =
transformed=20
    the XB-46 and the XB-48 into aviation footnotes. Six Allison J35-2 =
turbojet=20
    engines slung in pods beneath the swept-back wings gave the =
prototype=20
    Stratojet nimble performance, and helped to validate a design =
concept still=20
    widely used today. Although uprated J47-GE-3s were soon substituted, =
the=20
    B-47 also carried mountings for 18 solid-fuel booster rockets in the =
aft=20
    fuselage to shorten the takeoff roll. Flight testing continued =
through 1951,=20
    and B-47's began entering the inventory in 1952. ICBMs and SLBMs did =
not yet=20
    exist, and the penetrating bomber was the only nuclear strike =
vehicle=20
    available. A total of 2,039 B-47's were funded and built in a serial =

    production that lasted until 1956.=20
    <P>The B-47 was the first pure jet strategic bomber whose many =
unique=20
    features included six jet engines; a two-engine, pylon-mounted pod =
under=20
    each wing near the fuselage; and a single-engine pod further =
outboard. The=20
    wings were attached high on the fuselage and swept 35. The design=20
    incorporated a revolutionary bicycle-type, retractable main landing =
gear=20
    with single, two-wheel struts on the forward and aft fuselage. =
Outrigger=20
    wheels added lateral stability and retracted into the two-engine pod =

    cowling. The B-47 was 107 feet long, 28 feet high at the tail, and =
had a=20
    wing span of 116 feet. The crew consisted of a pilot, copilot, and=20
    bombardier. With a maximum gross weight of about 204,000 pounds, it =
used=20
    rocket assist on takeoff. A tail chute was used to slow down the =
aircraft=20
    during landings.=20
    <P>Although heavier than the heaviest World War II bomber, the B-47 =
was=20
    designed to be a medium-range penetrator with approximately a =
3,500-nm=20
    range. This was not a problem in the early 1950's since forward =
basing was=20
    available in the United Kingdom, Spain, Morocco, Guam, and Alaska. =
In=20
    addition, the B-47 was equipped with an air refueling capability =
and, on=20
    several occasions, 36-hour missions were flown. Thus, when it =
initially=20
    entered the inventory, its range was sufficient.=20
    <P>The aircraft's payload capacity was limited to 20,000 pounds =
internally.=20
    Since nuclear weapons were large in the early 1950's, the bomb bay =
was=20
    limited to one or two of high yield. But this lack of payload =
capacity was=20
    compensated for by the large numbers of B-47's that were purchased =
(at a=20
    cost of less than $2 million per airplane) which resulted in an =
acceptable=20
    overall weapon delivery capacity. The B-47 was also capable of =
carrying 13=20
    500-pound or 8 1,000-pound conventional bombs.52 Although no B-47 =
squadron=20
    was ever equipped with any type of missile, the B-47 was used on =
several=20
    occasions as a test aircraft for missile launches. The biggest aid =
to the=20
    B-47 payload was nuclear weapon technology which developed smaller =
weapons.=20
    <P>Serial production made incorporating changes easier; the most =
numerous=20
    models were the B and E series. There were many production =
improvements made=20
    to include more powerful engines with water injection, the addition =
of tail=20
    guns, ejection seats, increased maximum gross weight, and bomb bay=20
    modifications for new weapons technology. Once deployed, =
modifications were=20
    numerous. The most significant was the structural revision to =
convert the=20
    B-47 from a high to a low altitude penetrator due to the development =
of=20
    Soviet SAMs in the mid 1950's. In May 1960, Gary Powers' U-2 was =
shot down=20
    by a Soviet SAM, vividly demonstrating Soviet high altitude defense=20
    capabilities.=20
    <P>Besides structural modifications, ECM and other avionics were =
updated.=20
    Some B-47's were modified into reconnaissance and other specialized=20
    aircraft. Since space was a limitation, most aircraft modified for=20
    reconnaissance and special missions were not capable of carrying =
bombs.=20
    However, the RB-47B could be converted back to a bomber. The B-47 =
had the=20
    capability to be modified but was restricted by space limitations.=20
    <P>By 1956, B-47 deployment reached its peak with over 1,300 =
assigned to=20
    SAC. In addition about 250 RB-47s were in SAC at that time. =
Subsequently,=20
    phase out of the B-47 took place in the 1960s. In 1960 there were =
still=20
    almost 1,100 B-47s. This dropped to about 400 in 1964 and in 1966 =
the last=20
    B-47 had been phased out though a few RB-47s were retained until =
1967. The=20
    phase out of the B-47 medium bomber coincided with the rapid build =
up of=20
    ICBM and SLBM deployment by the US.=20
    <P>The B-47's were phased out in the early 1960's with the last ones =
leaving=20
    the inventory by the end of 1965. The B-47 had shown flexibility in =
adapting=20
    to a low level mission profile that was required by the introduction =
of=20
    SAMs. But modifications to a large fleet (especially structural=20
    modifications) cost vast sums of money. Moreover, forward basing of=20
    strategic nuclear forces was becoming unpopular with our allies, and =
there=20
    was not enough tanker support to make up the range difference for =
CONUS=20
    basing of all the B-47's. The B-58, planned as a replacement for the =
B-47,=20
    started entering the inventory in 1960. Also, the B-52, designed as =
an=20
    outgrowth of the B-47, was proving to be a very capable strategic =
bomber.=20
    Thus, the combination of mission profile changes, which limited =
B-47's=20
    usefulness and the emergence of a replacement medium-range bomber =
and a=20
    truly long-range strategic bomber, led to the retirement of the =
B-47's after=20
    14 years of service.=20
    <P>In summary, the B-47 was a technological innovation in bomber =
aircraft=20
    design with swept wings, jet engines, the ability to be air =
refueled, and an=20
    operational envelope equal to the fighter aircraft of the early =
1950's. The=20
    Stratojet was also one of the more beautiful airplanes to grace =
America's=20
    skies. However, it was a medium-range bomber that had limitations on =
space,=20
    payload, and range. When deployed, the B-47 was adequate to perform =
its=20
    designed mission. While it was able to adapt to changes in the =
threat at=20
    significant cost, it was not able to keep up with a heightened =
threat and=20
    greater range requirements, thus making other available aircraft =
that did=20
    the job better more viable. </P></DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
    <DIV><BR>Ah for those days of, er, hmm, maybe not so either, heh =
heh.</DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV>BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
    style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
      <DIV=20
      style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
      <A title=3Dmesmo@gilanet.com =
href=3D"mailto:mesmo@gilanet.com">Gerry Storm</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
      title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
      =
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
      </DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, =
2004 8:06=20
      PM</DIV>
      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Weird War =
Craft</DIV>
      <DIV><BR></DIV>
      <DIV>When I was in pre-lang training at Kelly AFB our building was =

      occasionally shaken by a great monster warming up on a runway =
about 1/2=20
      mile away. It was the C-99, cargo version of the B-36. At the time =
it was=20
      the largest aircraft ever built and I believe still the largest =
motor=20
      driven aircraft ever. Only saw it take off once, usually they just =
ran it=20
      down the runway a ways. It was said that they could load an entire =
brigade=20
      (or whatever) on this monster, men, equipment and all, but finding =
an=20
      landing strip large enough to accomodate it was not easy, nor was =
the=20
      return trip flying it empty.</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><A=20
      =
href=3D"http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C=
-99">http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Consolidated-Vultee%20C-99=
</A></DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>Ah yes, the days of the piston engined aircraft, with the =
B-36=20
      reigning supreme--until the B-52 (one of the great triumphs of =
American=20
      techology) came along and put it into mothballs. Those of us born =
and=20
      raised in Texas were priviledged to see them in our skies and hear =
their=20
      mighty roars and dream that one day we would fly or at least ride =
in=20
      one...alas, I spent most of my flying days in one not so grand, =
the C-119,=20
      better known as the "pregnant guppie".</DIV>
      <DIV>G</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <BLOCKQUOTE=20
      style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- =
</DIV>
        <DIV=20
        style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
        <A title=3Dblacky@cbn.net.id =
href=3D"mailto:blacky@cbn.net.id">Byron=20
        Black</A> </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
        title=3Daustin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net=20
        =
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net">austin-ghetto-list@pairli=
st.net</A>=20
        </DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, June 02, =
2004 6:34=20
        AM</DIV>
        <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Weird War =
Craft</DIV>
        <DIV><BR></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well since we've strayed this =
far off the=20
        thread I'll just chime in a say how much I've always admired =
weirdo=20
        aeronautical designs. When my dear old Dad was station at =
Carswell AFB=20
        we lived in a housing development just across Lake Worth. I =
remember=20
        seeing the YB-49 taking off once - came right over our house.=20
        </FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Almost as thrilling as seeing =
the Muntz TV=20
        salesman bring one of his sets into our living room and then =
proceed to=20
        slap and kick the shit out of it while it played on merrily, =
Uncle=20
        Miltie smiling through the abuse.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Me and my brother George had =
never seen=20
        anything like that, not ever before. I don't think my Dad bought =
the=20
        Muntz though.</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I always wanted a Dumont. It =
was in black=20
        and white, like the rest of the world, but had a bluish =
fluorescent=20
        collar around the picture tube which lit up while you watched =
Red=20
        Skelton being supremely unfunny (always broke up laughing at his =
own=20
        crap for one thing, unlike Spike Jones: the funnier he got the =
more=20
        disgusted he looked).</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Far enough off the thread =
yet?</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "IgorLoving" =
&lt;</FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:lovingigor@earthlink.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>lovingigor@earthlink.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 =
3:41=20
        AM</FONT></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: RE:=20
        Thunderbolt!!</FONT></DIV></DIV>
        <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT=20
        face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; Blackhawk flew A thunderbolt in the =
later comics,=20
        he started with the old aircobra which he garnered in Poland =
durinf the=20
        blitz kreig, then it was the P-38 and after WWII there were the =
jets.=20
        All could land on a postage stamp. The band was made up of Olaf =
the=20
        Swede, Chop Chop the Chinese, Andre the Frenchman and a German =
and a=20
        Yougoslav????&nbsp; nal Message-----<BR>&gt; From: telebob =
&lt;</FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:telebob@sbcglobal.net"><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>telebob@sbcglobal.net</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>&gt;<BR>&gt; Sent: May 23, 2004 3:07 PM<BR>&gt; To: =
</FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>&gt; Subject: RE: Trivia Thunderbolt!!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
John=20
        Huston in "Chinatown"&nbsp; pronounces Jake Gittes name as Mr.=20
        Ghitts<BR>&gt; consistently, though Nicholson corrects him and =
Huston's=20
        character ignores<BR>&gt; the corrections.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Did =
I get it=20
        right Mr. BBBBBB?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; teleBubby<BR>&gt; &nbsp;=20
        -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; &nbsp; From: </FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
        face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; =
[mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net]On=20
        Behalf Of Byron Black<BR>&gt; &nbsp; Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2004 =
4:35=20
        PM<BR>&gt; &nbsp; To: </FONT><A=20
        href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
        size=3D2>&gt; &nbsp; Subject: Trivia Thunderbolt!!<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
        <BR>&gt; &nbsp; TRIVIA ALARM! TRIVIA ALARM!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
&nbsp;=20
        Ghetts? What mean star pronounces another actor's name that =
way,<BR>&gt;=20
        mispronouncing it on purpose rather, over and over, even though =
the=20
        other<BR>&gt; fellow patiently tells him how to pronounce it? =
Great=20
        movie too!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp; (Got to be somebody here =
who'll get=20
        it)<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp; BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB<BR>&gt;=20
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt;=20
        &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Michael Eisenstadt<BR>&gt; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
        To: </FONT><A =
href=3D"mailto:austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net"><FONT=20
        face=3DArial =
size=3D2>austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net</FONT></A><BR><FONT=20
        face=3DArial size=3D2>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sent: Sunday, May =
23, 2004=20
        10:45 PM<BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: ghetts?<BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
        <BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that is an ugly word because it =
sounds so=20
        ugly<BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; were one to say it. have you =
ever=20
        uttered it,<BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Frances? Try it, you =
won't like=20
        it.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Mike<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=20
      =
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