here's an email I just sent to an old friend -- it came together so nicely t
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Sat Sep 4 22:11:40 2004
Jon
it is more that Israel might lead us into a war with Iran, not Iraq. Iraq was
our own doing. I am scared of us going into Iran.
Carolyn
Quoting Jon Ford <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>:
> Carolyn-- I agree that our country should be more critical of some of
> Israel's excesses in its treatment of the Palestinians. Although the
> current
> administration chides Israel from time to time for certain behavior,
> such as
> building more homes in settlements, reprisal killings, etc., we never
> back
> up the chiding in any particular way, so the Sharon government doesn't
> take
> these comments seriously. Also, of course, it is clear that the
> Hamas-Palestinian view of Israel, that it has no right to exist and
> should
> be "suicide bombed" out of existence, is both vicious and unrealistic
> doctrine. Furthermore, , it is big simplification to say that Israel
> led us
> into war in Iraq with its "undue influence" and faulty Mossad
> intelligence.
> Israel certainly didn't care for Saddam Hussein and was no doubt glad to
> see
> him go, but we entered Iraq because the Bushies thought it would be easy
> to
> get rid of Saddam and that the people would welcome us with open arms,
> after
> which we would have strong power/economic base in a US-friendly new
> Iraq.
> They were ideologically and strategically wrong, and that's a big
> reason
> why we are in the mess we're in now.
>
> Jon
>
>
> >From: globe@zipcon.net
> >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> >To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net,Michael Eisenstadt
> <michaele@HotPOP.com>
> >Subject: Re: here's an email I just sent to an old friend -- it came
>
> together so nicely that I cant help sharing it with you
> >Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> > There is an investigation going on by the FBI which is about
> Israel
> influence
> >on our foreign policy towards Iran and it comes out of Wolfowits's
> office in
> >the Pentagon. It is no secret that Wolfowitz had a strong Israel
> bent
> in his
> >policy making. I think Bush has a strong pro bias towards Sharon
> and
> Israel.
> >There are occasions when USA's aims and Israel's are the same but
> not
> all the
> >time. I don't see how any democratic country can support all of
> Israel's
> >policies towards the Arab world
> > Carolyn
> >
> >
> >Quoting Michael Eisenstadt <michaele@HotPOP.com>:
> >
> > > Byron,
> > >
> > > Are you quoting or are you saying yourself that
> > > Bush went into Iraq for Israel?
> > >
> > > This is a lie. I read the Israeli press (online) and I
> > > know more or less what Israelis focus on, both
> > > their left wing and their right wing. It was NOT
> > > that the US should invade Iraq.
> > >
> > > Perle and Wolfowitz are not Israelis, they are
> > > think tank scholars who dont understand
> > > recent history. Perle by the way turns out to
> > > be an out and out crook in league with some
> > > Canadian billionaire. Wolfowitz was an
> > > academic and then went into government.
> > > Read The Rise of the Vulcans which is about
> > > the whole Bush crew. Wolfowitz is NOT a
> > > policy maker. The rest of the Bushies are
> > > big money non Jewish capitalists. These
> > > folks have not ever before acted at Israel's
> > > "bidding". To believe they would for some
> > > reason submit to Isael's bidding in any
> > > literal sense of the phrase is to be practicing
> > > non-rational mentation.
> > >
> > > Some say it was oil. I think it was pure hubris,
> > > perhaps also with an eye towards keeping
> > > the US in a permanent state of way thus
> > > continuing to hold the presidency. Not Israel.
> > > Israel had nothing to do with it. I'm sure the
> > > "intelligence" bureaucracy in Israel are busy
> > > sending in Israeli operatives to do some kinda
> > > biz in Iraq, but that sort of stuff comes with the
> > > neighborhood. All the other players (Iran, Egypt,
> > > Saudia Arabia) have got agents in Iraq also.
> > > If there is one thing the Arabs are good at it
> > > is their Mukbaharat skills.
> > >
> > > Please forward what I am saying here to your
> > > reading circle. Thanks.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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