grounds for optimism in the Zionist entity-Palestinian problem

[Wayne Johnson]

Mike.

If I understand one of the "sub-texts" of this message, it would be that 
since Israel and Egypt are cooperating in various "means"  of "attacking the 
Islamic Fundamentalist Problem" there may be a "positive outcome" from this 
collaboration.  Right?

So, the desire to achieve a good "end"....some kind of long-term semi-peace 
in the Palestinian firmament therefore justifies the use of whatever "means" 
seems to be effective, at least temporarily.  As it is a fairly well-known 
"rumour" that countries such as the US, utilizing various para-military 
agencies such as the CIA or in Israel's case, the Massad (sp?) often turn to 
Egypt to help them uncover "information" by whatever "means" appear to work, 
ie. torture and/or death, one is then supposed to look away from this 
practice.

Just where does this leave us?  We should therefore condone torture, death 
by remote control (so technical, so tidy) and as the History of the Region 
is (as so well documented by various Religious Texts and recurring events of 
the last couple of hundred years) so very fond of war, the use of armies, 
vanquished foes, weeping widows, ad nauseum?

I guess we can use the old Conservative Rubric "it is the Nature of Man to 
be violent, why worry?"

I always wondered who sponsored that facist oaf, Perle.

Cheerio.

wayne j
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@hotpop.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 11:07 AM
Subject: grounds for optimism in the Zionist entity-Palestinian problem


> As these are mine Peepul, i cant not be interested. i
> glance at Haaretz online and the Jerusalem Post too.
> the latter is better and is no longer owned by Conrad
> Black who is this Canadian tycoon crook media baron
> who kept Richard Perle on his payroll.
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> Haaretz is so-called leftwing, whereas way back in the
> 60s-70s, the Jerusalem Post did good journalism in a
> non-political way. They had an airmailed weekly edition
> on extra light crinklely paper you could read at the library.
> Ink smelled good too. Years later it fell into the hands of
> Conrad Black. I dont know if Black is one of the chosen
> Peepul, he might be although i dont think so.
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> so what about this optimism?
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> in recent years Egypt has perfected the supression of
> Islamist terror (to the extent that that is possible).
> There has been little or no incidents for several
> years until the recent Saba resorts terror bombings
> last summer (Saba is in Sinai on the unspoiled
> Red Sea coast where lots of Israelis on holiday
> spend lots of money). if there is one thing Arabs
> are good at its their security police. when Saddam
> was the boss, he was the only one who did terrorism
> in Iraq. there is no terrorism in Syria. or Iran. or Libya.
> and other Arab countries.
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> ok. compare terrorism in Iraq right now with
> terrorism in Israel. surprise! there are no terrorism
> victims in Israel recently. the Egyptians & Israelis
> are working on their mutual Gaza borders, also
> working on Israeli owned industrial parks in Egypt
> which will enjoy waived tariffs when exported to the
> US. think money money money
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> most interestingly, Hamas has been speaking of
> accepting a hudna with Israel for an unspecified length
> of time.
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> a hudna is an indefinite truce in Islamic jurisprudence
> which existed for hundreds of years in the past
> between Islam and non-Islamic countries (except for
> when it didnt). thus Hamas members can still look
> foward to the obliteration of Israel but not have to
> be picked off one by one by Israeli special forces.
> after Israel offed the sheik in the wheelchair and then,
> soon, offed Rantisi their next Maximo Leader and
> many others, one can become discouraged
> especially when the strike comes from the sky, from
> an unmanned missile-equipped drone say. There is
> a palpable rhetoric implicit in being hit from above,
> its hardwired into us.
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> Iranians just handed over a top Islamic Brotherhood
> leader to Egypt where he will be executed - which
> shows us how little we know about what really goes
> on between governments
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