[AGL] Seduction--pet name for rape

[Jon Ford]

Mike, Frances-- this the stuff big law suits are built upon, especially if 
the rapist is a  basketball star.

Jon


>From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele at ando.pair.com>

>Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 

>60s<austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>To: <austin-ghetto-list at pairlist.net>

>Subject: Re: [AGL] Seduction--pet name for rape

>Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2006 08:25:36 -0600

>

>Frances wrote::

>

> >  I came to my conclusion about what constitutes rape when I read 

>"Against

> > Our Will" by Susan Brownmiller. She posits that it is seduction/rape

> > whenever it isn't the woman's idea first. I believe that since we are 

>the

> > ones with the wombs it is up to us to determine when and with whom we 

>have

> > sex. I admit to being alcohol impaired every time I got raped. Jumping 

>to

> > a victim conclusion does come rather easily.

>

>Frances,

>

>Would you elaborate a bit on "when it isn't the woman's idea first." After

>the desire is awakened in you, what exactly do you ask yourself before

>deciding to proceed? Perhaps the thought is that the desire now lodged in

>the woman is somehow there against her will. Hegel, on the other hand, says

>that the highest level of erotic desire, available only to humans, is one's

>desire for the desire of the other.

>

>Does your last sentence mean that you are now withdrawing from what you

>wrote earlier? That in some way the victim is enjoying it. This is known in

>the literature as rape fantasizing (with a grey-eyed stranger) which is

>considered normal and sells a lot of Harlequin paperback novels. Jumping to

>the victim conclusion melds into rape fantasizing during the actual act.

>Neat idea!

>

>Best,

>

>Mike

>

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