[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[michele mason]

Bill. the only way I can explain my personal understanding is the 
following:
After I had been battered and could not bring myself to raise my hand 
in self-defense because of my long and dedicated history to Dr. King's 
non-violence—And after I had been raped; blind-folded and hog-tied with 
a sharp object pressed to my back, I could barely function. I was 
losing my job, terrified to be alone, crying often and in inappropriate 
places, afraid of every man who might fit the size, always listening 
for the voice (since I didn't get to see him and he told me of my every 
move for some 3 mo) and watching my first love fall apart, I went to a 
priest who taught me that there was some discussion about "Thou shalt 
not kill" in scholarly circles. That the language was misinterpreted, 
that "Thou shalt not murder" is more accurate. Further and more 
importantly, I had been given this life—this body—that I was blessed 
with its potential and had a responsibility to protect it. In cases of 
self-defense, or a strong sense of gathering menace, I should take 
steps to protect it. Shooting is not my first resort, but I have come 
to know when it may be the one i have left. Taught to shoot to kill, I 
never raise a gun without intent. However, I still go for warning, or 
wounding in some cases, despite my training. Evil does exist and I have 
known one who would consider that approach as "fun" and a greater 
desire to take my life after torture. Should he appear, I will kill 
suddenly, from hiding, or by any means necessary. I shake even now at 
the thought of him. I try never to do so and will not mention him 
again.
I have gone a long way to answer your question. I hope you can 
appreciate it and leave it be. Killing is something I understand and 
its hard for me. When its necessary, its past thought, just excellent 
aim. I know my Lord is with me and will forgive.  mm

On Dec 8, 2006, at 4:45 PM, Bill Irwin wrote:


> Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to 

> rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik.   

> Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought you 

> might have some insight on those two dilemmas.  Seems to me that gun 

> use is neither Christian nor peaceful.

> Aloha,

> Ewie

>  

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Frances Morey

>>

>> Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his defense 

>> would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said I was 

>> standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew up 

>> with guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a target 

>> shooting face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp outshooting 

>> 500 other scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad gathered him 

>> up and they left hunting camp early.

>> It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a movie 

>> script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the movie. 

>> I feel that if the potential is there, at some point it will be used, 

>> sometimes by the intruder--so I just as soon not have them or keep 

>> them.

>> Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with bodies 

>> it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun totin' 

>> neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

>> When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over the 

>> place even though the students were at that time forbidden to keep 

>> firearms.

>> Best,

>> Frances

>>

>> michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>> This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want the 

>>> right

>>> to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my land. 

>>> I've

>>> had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to keep 

>>> "them"

>>> away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing 

>>> something

>>> that might hinder my rights.

>>> We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at mine, but

>>> missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't know 

>>> that

>>> they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to disable his

>>> car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me that 

>>> right,

>>> I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

>>>

>>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

>>>

>>> >

>>> >

>>> > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

>>> > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

>>> >> From: StopTheNRA

>>> >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

>>> >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

>>> >>

>>> >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to open it in

>>> >> your browser.

>>> >> <11665.gif>Stop Shoot First in Texas!

>>> >> Sign Our Petition: Deadly Force Should Not Be a First Resort

>>> >> Dear Texas StoptheNRA Member,

>>> >> As we gear up for the 2007 Texas state legislative session, we 

>>> wanted

>>> >> to take this opportunity to tell you about the dangerous "Shoot

>>> >> First" legislation that will be introduced when the legislature

>>> >> convenes next month, and our plans to fight it. 

>>> >> If passed, such a law would make it legal for a gun owner to shoot

>>> >> and kill another person even when they could have safely gotten 

>>> away,

>>> >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent people 

>>> could be

>>> >> shot in the crossfire.   The shooter does not have to prove their

>>> >> life was in danger, but only that they “reasonably” felt their 

>>> life

>>> >> was threatened.  This new bill would eliminate a citizen's duty to

>>> >> avoid the threat, by walking away or seeking refuge in a safe 

>>> place

>>> >> and, instead, allows the gun user to "shoot first" to eliminate 

>>> the

>>> >> threat.

>>> >> Click Here to Sign Our Petition to Stop Shoot First in Texas!

>>> >> The Shoot First bill, that first became law in Florida in October

>>> >> 2005, is so overly broad and expansive that everyday occurrences

>>> >> could have deadly consequences for everyone involved -- including

>>> >> innocent bystanders, who would have no civil recourse against a

>>> >> shooter if they are injured or killed in the crossfire.  

>>> According to

>>> >> a study conducted by the Orlando Sentinel, Shoot First has already

>>> >> been used to defend some questionable shootings.

>>> >>   

>>> >> This legislation permits the average citizen to bypass our entire

>>> >> justice system by permitting him or her to assume the role of 

>>> police

>>> >> officer, prosecutor, judge, and executioner -- but it doesn’t stop

>>> >> there -- this bill also protects the shooter from criminal

>>> >> prosecution and civil liability! 

>>> >> You may think this is absurd, but the NRA has already passed this

>>> >> bill in 10 states!

>>> >> As the legislative session draws nearer, we will be in touch with

>>> >> more information about how to stop this dangerous legislation.  In

>>> >> the meantime, please sign our petition and urge your friends to 

>>> sign

>>> >> up for our alerts so they too can help stop Shoot First in 

>>> Texas!   

>>> >> Here’s What You Can Do to Keep "Shoot First" Out of Texas:

>>> >>> 1. Sign our petition to stop Shoot First in Texas!

>>> >>> 2. Forward this e-mail to friends, family, and colleagues in 

>>> Texas

>>> >>> and urge them to sign the petition (you can include a personal 

>>> note

>>> >>> on top).

>>> >>> 3. Click here to contribute to our efforts in Texas and across 

>>> the

>>> >>> country.

>>> >> For more information on this legislation and how to get involved 

>>> in

>>> >> the gun violence prevention movement in Texas, please contact the

>>> >> Texas Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign.

>>> >> Thank you for helping us stop Shoot First in Texas!

>>> >>

>>> >> Sincerely,

>>> >> Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com

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