From theblacks at interisland.net Mon May 1 00:25:39 2000 From: theblacks at interisland.net (The Blacks) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] blowers Message-ID: <001701bfb325$4fb224e0$381f3fd1@internet> Hi all! I haven't had much time to chat - I've just been 'lurking' but I thought I would jump in on this one. ... My husband managed an alpaca farm and we did all of the shearing (400 head) on our own. He has been shearing sheep for years and had not thought of the blower until he got into the alpacas but after using it once he used it faithfully. The only thing that I might warn you about with blowers is to be careful to blow the fiber at an angle or you end up blowing out the crimp in your fleece. If you aim the blower directly on the animal you may end up just blowing the 'veggie matter' deeper into the fiber. I used to use the blowers on my standard poodle years ago when I showed dogs and it worked great for that to so I am going to my local dog groomer to see about purchasing one for my sheep. Jason - my husband loves the blower and we will probably end up using it on our flock next year (in my spare time I am going to learn how to spin) By the way we have been able to work it out so that we can keep our 8 registered ewes and Alex - our registered ram. Thank you all for your thoughts and dare I say prayers - it looks like they worked! Tiar Black Friday Harbor WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000430/aa0cdaec/attachment.html From stonecroft235 at juno.com Mon May 1 07:14:21 2000 From: stonecroft235 at juno.com (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000501.071422.-257841.3.stonecroft235@juno.com> Hi Andria, There is a bank statement here and a Columbia House mailing. Have you been enjoying this wonderful weather? On Saturday I mowed the yard and sunburned the back of my neck!! Last Friday night dad and I went to a banquet at the Host - the lady who teaches the bible study I am in, Marian Horst, is a wealthy widow - and a very sweet and gracious lady. Every year she invites everyone in the bible study and their spouses to a banquet, she flies in a speaker and she picks up the tab for the whole evening. The speaker was very good and the dinner was delicious - we had a great time. Afterward dad left for the mountains to hunt turkeys on Saturday. Saturday night was Garden Spot's prom - they had their dinner at the Artworks and since Garden Spotters always change between prom and post prom, Heather Horst and her boyfriend, Jon, and another couple came here to change out of their prom clothing. On Saturday the last of our little goaties was "adopted" - and on Sat. the two chairs for the living room were delivered. Finally after 10 yrs. of only a piano and a sofa we are trying to develop that room. Last Friday I saw Sherry in Ephrata - I was in town running errands. Last Thursday Dad and I were both in at Boscov's (at different times) - we both looked for you but you weren't working. Well, gotta do some laundry - and there is the possibility that today Janet Martin, Judy Kurtz (her son John is dating Amy Sensenich) and another girl & myself will be doing the "Tulip Caper" - visiting open houses in the area, sort of a kitchen tour kind of thing. Janet was having trouble getting the tickets, so don't know for sure if we are going. Hope you are doing well - we continue to pray for you. Love Mom Sue Martin Stonecroft Manor ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From hettick.1 at osu.edu Mon May 1 08:41:28 2000 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Wide Horns, Mane In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have a grandson of Sir Lancelot who has a fringe of longer Kempy fleece along the lower line of his neck from his chin to his brisket. Do you think he might end up having the mane? This lamb seems like he will have crimpy but coarser wool, but that probably comes from the other side of the family and his other grandfather had kind of a kempy neck but it didn't appear until his second shearing. None of our other 3 ram lambs have this fringe either. Heather Hettick OSU ATI Hettick.1@osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com]On Behalf Of WenlochFrm@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 1:25 PM To: spahrfarm@dragonbbs.com; jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Wide Horns, Mane In a message dated 4/28/00 10:43:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, spahrfarm@dragonbbs.com writes: > > I knew you would recognize Sir Lancelot immediately. I do not recall any > other sheep born here with the neck mane. I thought perhaps it was > correlated to the coarser type fleece. Did you say that he did not pass this > trait to any of his offspring? > > No, he did not, unless his sons develop it and the coarse wool down the back when they get older. His oldest offspring here are now two-year-olds, so there would be time for them to still develop the primitive trait, but I don't recall his older offspring at your farm having a mane either. Lancelot's wool was not coarse except for that down the back, and he did have the longer staple length with no crimp. Two of his lambs had the longer length, the others did not. None had any crimp. Joan Franklin _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From stonecroft235 at juno.com Mon May 1 08:47:09 2000 From: stonecroft235 at juno.com (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000501.084710.-257841.7.stonecroft235@juno.com> To the list: Please accept my apologies - I mistakenly hit the wrong address for the last post from me - it was SUPPOSED to go to my daughter......perhaps I was having a senior moment???? Sue Martin Stonecroft Manor ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Jacobflock at aol.com Mon May 1 11:10:19 2000 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Graying and fading Message-ID: Fred here. Beginning this exercise I am trying to simply describe what might be observed. The lamb is born with nice black spots and over the years, and perhaps with each shearing, the new growth appears lighter even with defined black sheared coat spotting; roots are black tips are faded or gray. The other case may be, you look at the sheared Jacob, the fleece and the spots on the sheep's sheared coat seem to be fading or graying. There are probably two issues; fiber and skin. I am trying to begin with the fiber. The skin issue will require something more invasive. The trait for graying (colloquially "fading") may be dominant. If so, we ought not lose the black in the process. Maybe its not really a wide issue but it seemed a concern last Fall. Fred. From wireworks at globaldialog.com Mon May 1 15:19:55 2000 From: wireworks at globaldialog.com (WireWorks) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Spinoff Magazine Message-ID: <000b01bfb3a2$3c5c0280$916b2e9c@clbvmicy> Does anyone have the web page address for Spinoff Magazine. I had it at one time and cannot locate it. I tried the search without any success. YOur help would be appreicated. Thank you, Diana Murphy DreamFarm Black Earth, Wisconsin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000501/8484edfb/attachment.htm From WenlochFrm at aol.com Mon May 1 21:14:53 2000 From: WenlochFrm at aol.com (WenlochFrm@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Spinoff Magazine Message-ID: <75.38f3733.263f860d@aol.com> www.interweave.com will get you there. Joan Franklin From srussell at lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk Tue May 2 10:21:43 2000 From: srussell at lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <14214371091374@lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk> well we have started lambing in earnest. since easter sunday 23 have dropped. NO Jacobs Yet!!!!, just my shets and the blackies. Their bags are swinging about so they must start soon. heres hoping Susan From wolfpen at alltel.net Tue May 2 14:35:00 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Perfect Spot Farm Message-ID: <000501bfb465$21f898e0$ab3766a6@alltel.net> Cathy Robinson of Perfect Spot Farm in NC has updated her lamb pictures at http://members.xoom.com/wolfpen/robinson/ From SharHill at aol.com Tue May 2 16:47:47 2000 From: SharHill at aol.com (SharHill@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: Hi everybody, My little wether lamb has what looks like a hairy forehead. The wool looks longer on his forehead, don't know if it is hair exactly. Is this bad? I'm new to this and just trying to learn. This is our first baby. He is getting big fast. He was born March 12 and is fat and sassy. I was wondering about weaning. Do you normally just let the mother wean him in her own good time, or do you help them along? At what age does this normally take place? I have a small flock of 4 and this is the only lamb. People on the list have mentioned a "break" in the forehead that might mean forward horns. Is there a picture somewhere with an example of that? I don't think my lamb has it, his horns look perfect so far, I was just wondering what it looks like. Thanks, Sharon in GA From wolfpen at alltel.net Tue May 2 17:52:22 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) References: Message-ID: <000401bfb480$b59f6900$773766a6@alltel.net> Hi Sharon, I think this picture illustrates a break in the forehead. www.alltel.net/~wolfpen/list/ramlamb.jpg Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 02 May, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) > Hi everybody, > > My little wether lamb has what looks like a hairy forehead. The wool looks > longer on his forehead, don't know if it is hair exactly. Is this bad? I'm > new to this and just trying to learn. This is our first baby. > He is getting big fast. He was born March 12 and is fat and sassy. I was > wondering about weaning. Do you normally just let the mother wean him in her > own good time, or do you help them along? At what age does this normally > take place? I have a small flock of 4 and this is the only lamb. > > People on the list have mentioned a "break" in the forehead that might mean > forward horns. Is there a picture somewhere with an example of that? I > don't think my lamb has it, his horns look perfect so far, I was just > wondering what it looks like. > > Thanks, > Sharon in GA > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From pavel314 at home.com Tue May 2 20:29:14 2000 From: pavel314 at home.com (Pavel) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Introducing a Llama Message-ID: <390F72DA.44FC7126@home.com> We're seriously thinking about getting a guard llama soon. I plan on introducing it to the flock as I would a new sheep, letting them get to know each other across a fence for a few days then putting them into the same pasture. Anyone on the lists have any experience with this? Paul Intihar Rainbow Farm Joppa, Maryland Website: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/ From spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com Wed May 3 11:13:40 2000 From: spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com (Jim Spahr) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Guard Llama Message-ID: <002901bfb512$2adf9dc0$c496453f@cyrix> We purchased a llama about 4 years ago when he was 6 months old. We have coyote problems around here, and heard they might help. When he was older, we began to be suspicious when we would see a dead lamb or two in the pasture with no apparent cause of death. Then one day I saw him separate a newborn lamb from its mother and knock it on the ground. My husband intervened and we separated "Flash" from the flock. We had the vet come out and castrate him last year. The group of ewes he is out to pasture with have not had their lambs yet, so we will watch very closely to see if his behavior problem has been corrected. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000503/1e0a6246/attachment.htm From mcmcc at ucinet.com Wed May 3 12:34:09 2000 From: mcmcc at ucinet.com (Mary McCracken) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Guard Llama Message-ID: <001401bfb51d$69cd3b40$4f2824d8@oemcomputer> It is VERY important not to put stud llamas in with sheep. Some have killed many ewes trying to get the to kush, lie down, for breeding. I would be suspicious of a stud who has already abused sheep even after castration. I bought a young stud llama after he was sexually active, had him castrated before getting out of my trailer and he has been great with sheep but continues to try to get the female llama to let him breed her. She allowed it for the first year but now manages to ignore his advances. But a good llama is a treasure around sheep. they learn to recognize home dogs and ignore them but will follow a strange dog even when it is walking with its master. Training herding dogs in a field with llamas has not worked here. The sheep run to the llamas and the dog knows better than to get within reach. End of session. My llamas have been seen facing off a pair of coyotes as they scoped out the sheep through the fence one early morning. I also enjoy them. One llama is the most effective because they then stay with the sheep. My llamas are a self contained group but are territorial....and their territory is also the sheep territory. And the sheep seem to know they afford them protection. mary mccracken -----Original Message----- From: Jim Spahr To: Jacob List Members Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] Guard Llama We purchased a llama about 4 years ago when he was 6 months old. We have coyote problems around here, and heard they might help. When he was older, we began to be suspicious when we would see a dead lamb or two in the pasture with no apparent cause of death. Then one day I saw him separate a newborn lamb from its mother and knock it on the ground. My husband intervened and we separated "Flash" from the flock. We had the vet come out and castrate him last year. The group of ewes he is out to pasture with have not had their lambs yet, so we will watch very closely to see if his behavior problem has been corrected. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000503/57f4e3eb/attachment.html From kbarrett at oregontrail.net Wed May 3 12:55:32 2000 From: kbarrett at oregontrail.net (Kate Barrett) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Guard Llama Message-ID: <002401bfb520$67adfd60$14a41dce@kbarrett> My Llama experience has been a good one. I have an older gelded llama, that fits right in with the sheep, and seems to like them alot. The funniest part is he has really bonded with my 4 horned ram, and they make an amusing pair. The best part of this llama is he is so laid back.. The ram really wanted to take him on when he first showed up, and the llama was very much into passive resistance, he never so much as spit...which by the way he has not done in our 6 months together. He is very gentle and interested in the young lambs, and does keep a watchful eye out for any new animals in the area. He takes my dogs in stride, but will chase them out of the pasture if he decides they need to go. We are surrounded by farms who have lost lambs to cougars and coyotes, but either through luck or llama, we have been safe. The other bright side is that llamas are such interesting characters, very thoughtful creatures, and they just need the same care that the sheep do. He is an asset to my horses which are no longer terrified of him. I put this fellow in with the sheep right off, and never have regretted his arrival. The price for a gelded llama should not be too exorbitant so check around for a deal. Other sheep folk in my area have had very good luck with llamas as well. Kate Barrett Ruby Peak Jacobs -----Original Message----- From: Jim Spahr To: Jacob List Members Date: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:08 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] Guard Llama We purchased a llama about 4 years ago when he was 6 months old. We have coyote problems around here, and heard they might help. When he was older, we began to be suspicious when we would see a dead lamb or two in the pasture with no apparent cause of death. Then one day I saw him separate a newborn lamb from its mother and knock it on the ground. My husband intervened and we separated "Flash" from the flock. We had the vet come out and castrate him last year. The group of ewes he is out to pasture with have not had their lambs yet, so we will watch very closely to see if his behavior problem has been corrected. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000503/2b891023/attachment.htm From joyew at jnlk.com Wed May 3 17:26:24 2000 From: joyew at jnlk.com (Wayne & Edie Van Valkenburg) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Md Message-ID: <003501bfb546$3cbcaf40$fa946bd8@jaguarsystems.com> Hi everyone, We are just about ready for the big show "Md. Sheep & Wool Festival. We are bringing Jacob fleeces, 4-H ram & Ewe Lambs for sale plus 2 yearlings and 3 for show. We are looking forward to seeing everybody. Have pictures of the new lambs for sale and can send e-mail to anyone interested. Also found several pictures in the early 80's of Jacob Ladders Rams and Atwood's Isaac and Rebecca from the Fieldwood Farm. Come visit us in the new sheep barn and in Barn 3, Booth 9 next to the JSBA booth. Wayne & Edie Van Valkenburg, Joy Farm. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000503/42987e58/attachment.html From djspin at vtc.net Wed May 3 22:08:24 2000 From: djspin at vtc.net (Russ and Nancy Johnston) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: <001c01bfb56d$a163d3c0$77948ad0@rallen> Lots of sore muscles in my back from shearing my girls last night. I had introduced myself saying my girls were Jacob/Romanov because that's what I was originally told. Later she said they were Jacob/Cormo. The latter is definitely true. No undercoat. There is Cormo crimp and lanolin in "Sweetheart" along with Jacob "dots" on the white and a very white underbelly. "Sugar" has some crimp but much more Jacob-like fleece (much easier to shear). She also has a white underbelly and a few "dots". Both fleeces have at least a five inch staple! Since it was 90 degrees here today, I'm sure they were much more comfortable. We gave them their shots at the same time. My friend the shearer told me that they would be halter broken by the end of the shearing, and they are. One pleasant afterword is that they are even more loving, tamer than they were before. I just want to thank you-all for all your recent discussions. Everything you've been discussing I am seeing. You have really helped me understand these wonderful sheep. Nancy in SE AZ From theblacks at interisland.net Thu May 4 00:57:56 2000 From: theblacks at interisland.net (The Blacks) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] guard llamas Message-ID: <00b601bfb585$53ff95c0$441f3fd1@internet> We have had wonderful luck with our llama. I have been told that it is usually the gelded boys that most people use for protection but we have a female that was given to us a couple of years ago and I swear by her! My cat can not even get in to the field without Mama chasing her out! I had great luck with working my dog out there today - usually it doesn't work- but my dog has found that the llama will follow the sheep if she can just get the sheep where I want them then the llama follows! My husband use to manage an alpaca farm ( about 400 head) and when he first started there they had llamas to - we never had any trouble with dog attacks. When the new owners bought the farm they wanted all of the llamas removed from the farm immediately. It wasn't even 2 weeks before we had 2 alpacas killed ($42,000!). We have an incredible problem here on our island with dog owners - I say owners because that is where I think the fault should be. Since we have had our llama we have had no trouble at all. I have heard horror stories about ungelded llamas being put into a field and kill LOTS of sheep. The farm that we got our jacobs from had an ungelded llama out there and I know for a fact that he killed at least a hundred animals. The old owner of the sheep apparently thought that he would guard the sheep while she was away and just put him in the field and left him. I spoke with the guy who had to try and catch him and clean up all of the dead animals because of him - what a nightmare! When my husband and I went and bought our sheep we trailed up the llama and took him to an auction house. The poor thing was in such poor shape by then that they only sold him for $30 - probably for dog food. Oh well. I hope everyone has as good of luck with thier llamas as we have had. Have a good one. Tiar Black Friday Harbor WA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000503/c615db5c/attachment.htm From pavel314 at home.com Thu May 4 07:33:12 2000 From: pavel314 at home.com (Pavel) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Back Support While Shearing Message-ID: <39115FF8.30E097B4@home.com> >From: "Russ and Nancy Johnston" >To: "jacob-list" >Lots of sore muscles in my back from shearing my girls last night. I used to get a sore back from shearing until I bought one of those nylon back support things, the kind you see the stackers at WalMart or the lumber yard wearing. I never would have believed how much difference it makes. It only cost about $20 and I consider it one of the best investments I've ever made. Paul Intihar Rainbow Farm Joppa, Maryland Website: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/ From williams at jacobsheep.com Thu May 4 11:21:24 2000 From: williams at jacobsheep.com (Mark and Cathie Williams) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] VIRUS answers Message-ID: <002d01bfb5dc$c85f8900$c27a490c@mawill1> I've figured out what's going on with the virus issue discussed earlier this week. Several subscribers have been sending email that contains a new type of virus. This one only infects certain software packages, so it's received less media attention than others. The scarey thing, though is that it's embedded in the message rather than as an attachment. I would strongly encourage everybody using Internet Explorer 5 and/or Outlook to read up on this and install the necessary patches to prevent its spread. Please take the time to read through the article at http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2390955,00.html . The virus that I'm seeing today seems to be a mutation of the Bubbleboy Virus discussed in this article, and I think this one is more harmful. From the little bit of programming that I understand, I think this one will cause Windows to close and delete some files. Anyhow, the mystery is solved. I just hope those who have the virus will take care of it before it spreads further. - Mark Williams Jacob-list administrator -----Original Message----- From: Edd Bissell To: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:10 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] computor problesm >Two different people have written to me about a virus allert from my posts - >I email from two different locations - here at home where I am today and at >my business -= both have the same address. I can receive the same messages >and send out from each computer - the one here uses Eudora and the one at >the store uses Outlook [or something like that] What I want to know is >there at problem with this message this a.m. - that means the problem is >here I suppose. I have a premade signature on the one here at the house and >you can tell the difference by that. Of course I have no idea of what I am >supposed to do if there is a problem. Anyway I was sitting on the pourch >looking out at the beautiful East Tennessee a.m. and all of my Jacobs while >drinking my coffee = also thinking how much I am going to miss them when I >have them sold. Guess that is just part of life isn't it. > >=== > Edd Bissell = Hidden View Farm = Rare and Primitive Breed Animals >Scottish Blackface=Jacob=Barbados=Texas Dall=Navajo-Churro=Churro Hairsheep > ====Tennessee Nervous Meat Goats = = Great Pyrenees LGDs===== > = bissell@usit.net = 423-475-4844 = > 1435 Collins Road - New Market, Tennessee U.S.A. 37820 > > >_______________________________________________ >Jacob-list mailing list >Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From srussell at lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk Thu May 4 11:28:40 2000 From: srussell at lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] twins Message-ID: <15284015992040@lib.south-ayrshire.gov.uk> set of Jacob tup twins and a set of ewe twins on Wed a.m.Also set of shetland twin tups, moorit and black krunet and another set of each sex, grey katmoget and a lovely fawn katmoget ewe lamb.Other than that its blackie lambs which i dont want.The owner of the land where we had the ewes tupped has blackies and his boy must have jumped the dyke. I have a feeling i wont be getting any suffolk or ryelands out of my commercial flock.....but i will just have to wait and see. Weather is great for lambing just now. Susan From stonecroft235 at juno.com Thu May 4 14:17:53 2000 From: stonecroft235 at juno.com (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Pasture Questions Message-ID: <20000504.141753.-365679.1.stonecroft235@juno.com> Our pasture is producing dandelions at an alarming rate - in fact, as I gaze out over the meadow it appears to have snowed, due to all the fluffy little seed heads - they're everywhere, they're everywhere!!!! (The grass suffered quite a bit from the drought last summer, and the dandelions are filling in the bare spots!!) If I apply a broadleaf herbicide the white clover will also be destroyed, and I will need to keep the animals off for a period of time. My questions are: Is there a herbicide that will target just dandelions? How long after an application of a herbicide should I wait before reintroducing the sheep? Or, is there a better way to manage this problem? Incidentally, the sheep don't seem to mind but I have noticed their noses are yellow from grazing among the dandelion flowers! And converting all those blossoms into dandelion wine is not an option - my previous attempts at that resulted in a less than desirable potion!!!!!! Thank you. Sue Martin Stonecroft Manor ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From Jacobflock at aol.com Thu May 4 14:43:09 2000 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Back Support While Shearing Message-ID: <69.4835bc1.26431ebd@aol.com> Fred Horak here. Suggestion of the week for me. Six foot-seven, 62 years old and I have the last 75 Jacobs to shear. I'm going to get one of those girdles. The shearing job is one I do not look forward to. Thanks. Fred From creagchild at monad.net Thu May 4 14:48:16 2000 From: creagchild at monad.net (Thomas Simmons) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Virus Message-ID: <003b01bfb5f9$50a5f1c0$031761cc@oemcomputer> Folks: Many of you have websites or pages with pictures of your critters. The newest virus going around - an attachment called "I LOVE YOU," is erasing photographic images world-wide. This is not a hoax, and I bring it to your attention because so many of you are using/relying on pictures on websites for your business. Further reading: http://www.msnbc.com/news/403350.asp thom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000504/0e398d45/attachment.html From millarjs at clarityconnect.com Thu May 4 16:25:24 2000 From: millarjs at clarityconnect.com (Jim Millar) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Pasture Questions Message-ID: <000601bfb606$e2afe320$35e4fea9@oemcomputer> Susan, My experience has been that the flower heads will go leaving the "weed" which is really not a bad forage for livestock. Let them graze and enjoy the "weed". There is actually a lot of good pasture "eats" that most people call weeds. Herbicides will only get you into an ugly cyle of seek and destroy. Your sheep grazing out there is the best thing for your pasture. In the meantime enjoy your yellow snow! -----Original Message----- From: Susan J Martin To: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Date: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:32 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Pasture Questions >Our pasture is producing dandelions at an alarming rate - in fact, as I >gaze out over the meadow it appears to have snowed, due to all the fluffy >little seed heads - they're everywhere, they're everywhere!!!! (The >grass suffered quite a bit from the drought last summer, and the >dandelions are filling in the bare spots!!) If I apply a broadleaf >herbicide the white clover will also be destroyed, and I will need to >keep the animals off for a period of time. My questions are: Is there a >herbicide that will target just dandelions? How long after an >application of a herbicide should I wait before reintroducing the sheep? >Or, is there a better way to manage this problem? Incidentally, the >sheep don't seem to mind but I have noticed their noses are yellow from >grazing among the dandelion flowers! And converting all those blossoms >into dandelion wine is not an option - my previous attempts at that >resulted in a less than desirable potion!!!!!! >Thank you. > >Sue Martin >Stonecroft Manor > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >_______________________________________________ >Jacob-list mailing list >Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From fayg at earthlink.net Thu May 4 18:51:14 2000 From: fayg at earthlink.net (Gary Fay) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] VIRUS answers References: <002d01bfb5dc$c85f8900$c27a490c@mawill1> Message-ID: <001f01bfb61b$45f7c060$d507153f@pavilion> Additional Information: Microsoft has the ability to stop that type of infection but it is shipped in an off mode, it is up to you to turn it on in your brouser security settings. I have mine set to only allow scripts if I approve them. If I get an e-mail with a script in it, it gets deleted immediately. I only run scripts from specific sites. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark and Cathie Williams To: ; Edd Bissell ; Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] VIRUS answers > I've figured out what's going on with the virus issue discussed earlier this > week. Several subscribers have been sending email that contains a new type > of virus. This one only infects certain software packages, so it's received > less media attention than others. The scarey thing, though is that it's > embedded in the message rather than as an attachment. I would strongly > encourage everybody using Internet Explorer 5 and/or Outlook to read up on > this and install the necessary patches to prevent its spread. > > Please take the time to read through the article at > http://www.zdnet.com/zdhelp/stories/main/0,5594,2390955,00.html . The virus > that I'm seeing today seems to be a mutation of the Bubbleboy Virus > discussed in this article, and I think this one is more harmful. From the > little bit of programming that I understand, I think this one will cause > Windows to close and delete some files. > > Anyhow, the mystery is solved. I just hope those who have the virus will > take care of it before it spreads further. > > - Mark Williams > Jacob-list administrator > > -----Original Message----- > From: Edd Bissell > To: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > Date: Sunday, April 30, 2000 6:10 AM > Subject: [Jacob-list] computor problesm > > > >Two different people have written to me about a virus allert from my > posts - > >I email from two different locations - here at home where I am today and at > >my business -= both have the same address. I can receive the same messages > >and send out from each computer - the one here uses Eudora and the one at > >the store uses Outlook [or something like that] What I want to know is > >there at problem with this message this a.m. - that means the problem is > >here I suppose. I have a premade signature on the one here at the house > and > >you can tell the difference by that. Of course I have no idea of what I am > >supposed to do if there is a problem. Anyway I was sitting on the pourch > >looking out at the beautiful East Tennessee a.m. and all of my Jacobs while > >drinking my coffee = also thinking how much I am going to miss them when I > >have them sold. Guess that is just part of life isn't it. > > > >=== > > Edd Bissell = Hidden View Farm = Rare and Primitive Breed Animals > >Scottish Blackface=Jacob=Barbados=Texas Dall=Navajo-Churro=Churro Hairsheep > > ====Tennessee Nervous Meat Goats = = Great Pyrenees LGDs===== > > = bissell@usit.net = 423-475-4844 = > > 1435 Collins Road - New Market, Tennessee U.S.A. 37820 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Jacob-list mailing list > >Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From SJohn21855 at aol.com Thu May 4 23:02:58 2000 From: SJohn21855 at aol.com (SJohn21855@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Re: lambs Message-ID: <7b.3a76fbc.264393e2@aol.com> My Uncle raises sheep (Barbado's) and he lets the whole bunch of them run together. The ewe's usually go over under the trees to lamb. Usually as soon as the lamb gets up they go back over and join the herd. He hasn't had any lambs hurt or killed by either the rams or the other ewes. Shelly From SJohn21855 at aol.com Thu May 4 23:05:45 2000 From: SJohn21855 at aol.com (SJohn21855@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:16 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] out of context Message-ID: Hi all, Sorry about that last message. It was stuck out there in my computer waiting to be sent. Don't know how long it's been there. I didn't know it was. It was a good subject anyway! God Bless, Shelly From kseaman at pacificrim.net Fri May 5 01:21:19 2000 From: kseaman at pacificrim.net (Kathi Seaman) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ewe rejecting lamb Message-ID: <005b01bfb651$bfb24200$2be3ecc7@default> I have a first time ewe that gave birth to a single lamb. After keeping them together in a stall for four days I let them out with another ewe and her new lamb, there were a couple other sheep out as well. Everyone started eating grain and by the time my first time mom finished eating her grain she had forgotten what her lamb smelled like. She is yelling for her lamb and the lamb is yelling back but she WILL NOT allow it near her. She butts the little lamb viscously against the pen and tosses it up in the air. I have never had a lamb rejected this long after birth and I am stumped as to what to do. Nothing seems to be working. I have now separated them, for fear that the ewe will kill the lamb. I have sprayed lavender on the ewes muzzle and am going to spray it on the lamb in the morning hoping that she will accept it. ANY SUGGESTIONS ARE GREATLY APPRECIATED. Kathi Seaman From SharHill at aol.com Fri May 5 11:34:12 2000 From: SharHill at aol.com (SharHill@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] re: horns on lambs Message-ID: <57.54684c9.264443f4@aol.com> My 6 week old male lamb has, or had, 4 horns. One of the side horns came off the other day, and the other side horn is loose and dangling. I am sure it is going to come off. This is my first lamb, and I was wondering what is going on. Is this normal? I can already see the bud for another horn where the 1st horn fell off. The top horns are solidly attached. Thanks, Sharon From wolfpen at alltel.net Fri May 5 14:42:41 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] genetics articles Message-ID: <000501bfb6c1$b5beffc0$3f3766a6@alltel.net> I just took a short trip over to Cindy's, one of our listers who, besides some nice Jacobs, raises about a zillion varities of heirloom tomatoes and Irish Terriers. I was looking over Cindy's web page as I wanted to show Dave these neat little dogs and came across this page from Cindy's site. It does deal specifically with canine genetics, but the principles are universal. Some of the articles that are accessed from the url below are really well written, easily understood, and informative articles on genetics. I recommend reading through them. Gotta go plant tomatoes! http://www.angelfire.com/biz2/collectibles4u/irish.html Linda From athomemom36 at hotmail.com Mon May 8 00:04:17 2000 From: athomemom36 at hotmail.com (athome mom) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sick lamb Message-ID: <20000508040417.37944.qmail@hotmail.com> We found one of our 2 month old lambs in the field almost dead friday. Evidently it had laid wrong and almost suffocated itself. It's legs were stiff and it was foaming at the mouth. We took it to the vet and he said to watch it and check it's temperature. Yes I had to take it's temperature and you know where. We are assuming that it had just rolled over too far and suffered the consequences. But I'm concerned about possible tetanus. Has anyone had a sheep to come down with tetanus. I've never seen one and I don't know the symptoms. I'm sure the vet would have caught something like that, but I'm just concerned. Also, we had to give it a dose of antibiotics, I gave it the shot, never done it before, but I've seen the vet do it. I guess I did it right, the little thing is still kicking. I hate needles myself, but was able to do this with no problem. So, maybe I can start giving the maintenance shots and save the vet bill. I'd appreciated any advice in this subject. Another question for the listers. I have a 1 month old ram who had a massive rack of horns forming, this is my first ram lamb. His head looks almost deformed because of the knot where the horns are coming from, can anyone suggest a site where I can see a ram lamb and compare the look to mine. He's a four horned. Also, I have a 3 month old ewe lamb who had not developed any horns yet. She is marked perfect and comes from four horned parents. She was a single birth so I can't compare her to her twin. My other ewe lamb who is a bit older already has a great rack going. Is this a sign that maybe she is not full jacob. I think that maybe her mother was bred with something else besides jacob. Her mother is one of the ones that we rescued from the terrible man in west virginia. Thanks for the help, Tina Bowman Azalea Farms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From theblacks at interisland.net Mon May 8 00:44:17 2000 From: theblacks at interisland.net (The Blacks) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sick lamb References: <20000508040417.37944.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <003001bfb8a8$16374280$181f3fd1@internet> We just lost a yearling ewe to tetnus. When I found her I thought the same thing that you did because she was on her side kind of down hill and she was stiffening up and frothing at the mouth. Our vet told me that we should have given her a tetnus shot 1 month before and then a booster 3 wks later before we did anything to her that would break the skin. We are use to a well managed flock I guess because we always band our lambs tails before they are a week old - this ewe was over a year and still had a very long tail - most of the yonger animals that we got did. While we have the lambs for tail banding we also give them their tenus shots - its just easier. The vet said the reason that our yearling ewe came down with tetnus and our lambs do not is because the lambs are still nursing and getting the immunities from mom but you the shot we give really does no good until about a month later and thats with a booster. If I where you I would have my vet take another look at the situation - maybe they weren't thinking about tenus? One more thing that I learned from this whole experience was that where there is or has been horse manure there is tetnus and that is probably how we lost our girl. I spent $100 trying to save this ewe but the hardest part about losing her was that she had been threw so much in her short life and it only took my ignorance to kill her. I have learned my lesson the hard way and that will never happen again! I hope everything turns out for the best - Good luck. Tiar Black Friday Harbor WA ----- Original Message ----- From: athome mom To: Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 9:04 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Sick lamb > We found one of our 2 month old lambs in the field almost dead friday. > Evidently it had laid wrong and almost suffocated itself. It's legs were > stiff and it was foaming at the mouth. We took it to the vet and he said to > watch it and check it's temperature. Yes I had to take it's temperature and > you know where. We are assuming that it had just rolled over too far and > suffered the consequences. But I'm concerned about possible tetanus. Has > anyone had a sheep to come down with tetanus. I've never seen one and I > don't know the symptoms. I'm sure the vet would have caught something like > that, but I'm just concerned. Also, we had to give it a dose of antibiotics, > I gave it the shot, never done it before, but I've seen the vet do it. I > guess I did it right, the little thing is still kicking. I hate needles > myself, but was able to do this with no problem. So, maybe I can start > giving the maintenance shots and save the vet bill. > I'd appreciated any advice in this subject. > > Another question for the listers. I have a 1 month old ram who had a massive > rack of horns forming, this is my first ram lamb. His head looks almost > deformed because of the knot where the horns are coming from, can anyone > suggest a site where I can see a ram lamb and compare the look to mine. He's > a four horned. > > Also, I have a 3 month old ewe lamb who had not developed any horns yet. She > is marked perfect and comes from four horned parents. She was a single birth > so I can't compare her to her twin. My other ewe lamb who is a bit older > already has a great rack going. Is this a sign that maybe she is not full > jacob. I think that maybe her mother was bred with something else besides > jacob. Her mother is one of the ones that we rescued from the terrible man > in west virginia. > > Thanks for the help, > > Tina Bowman > Azalea Farms > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From wolfpen at alltel.net Mon May 8 07:25:19 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Sick lamb References: <20000508040417.37944.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <000401bfb8e0$1ba75740$b63766a6@alltel.net> Tina, I so sorry to hear about your sick lamb. I hope it recovers. It's really a good idea to get used to giving your own shots. Not only will it save you money, but sometimes the vet just isn't available when someone needs a shot. I think the best place to see lamb pictures is at Mark and Cathie's website. I'm not sure if they have ram lamb posted yet. They are at www.jacobsheep.com and just follow to the lamb pictures. I have a few of mine posted at http://members.xoom.com/wolfpen/lambs/ The two older lambs on my page (the ones with obvious horns) are 7 and 6 week old four horned rams. Could you describe the "knot" that you are talking about. I had one once that had a forehead that looked deformed, but it was just a case of severe forward horns. It was obvious at birth. I'd say that if you don't have horns on a 3 month old lamb, you're not going to get them. I've not a had a polled lamb, so I could very well be wrong on this. My 5 week old four horned ewe has visible (although small) horns. The tops were apparent by touch at birth and the laterals soon after. Best of luck with your lamb. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "athome mom" To: Sent: 08 May, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] Sick lamb From SJohn21855 at aol.com Tue May 9 09:15:56 2000 From: SJohn21855 at aol.com (SJohn21855@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] breeding Message-ID: Hi all, In horses if you breed a smaller bred mare to a larger bred stallion most of the time the foal will be small (they say that the baby grows according to the size of the mares uterus) is this the case in sheep? I would like to cross my Icelandic ewe to my Black Cotswold ram to see what kind of fleece we would get. Has anyone tried this cross? Am I asking for lambing problems? I would welcome any comments. My Jacobs are all through with lambing and getting close to weaning time. I think they are getting ready to be done with babies hanging on them. I've noticed that they aren't letting the lambs nurse as much now as they used to. Of course with them all having teeth I would be ready to "just say No" also. I have been turning my ewe's and lambs out to eat our yard for about thirty minutes each day. As soon as I head towards them telling them it's time to go back in they all head back over and into the fence. It has worked so well that I thought I'd try it with the rams yesterday. What a joke!!!!!!! I ended up catching one by the horns and dragging him in. My Black Cotswold came up to eat grain out of the bucket and I got a rope around his neck to catch him. The Jacob ram got so excited that he was the only one left out that he went back in by himself (maybe he is the smartest?!?). Anyway I won't do that again. I went to the Shepherds Harvest this past weekend in Lake Elmo, MN. It was a very fun time. I learned a lot! I also got the spinning bug while taking a beginning spinning class. I have now ordered a spinning wheel! The fun begins! I tried hand spindling - I'm not too sure that I like that. It may grow on me, but at this time that is questionable. Brandon really enjoyed seeing all of the different breeds of sheep. There were people there with llamas, alpacas, cashmere goats, angora rabbits, and on and on. If it grows anything that can be spun, it was there. We came home with two English Angora rabbits which have beautiful fleece. I can't wait to get the spinning wheel set up and going. Well, this has turned into a book, so I'd better go. Thanks in advance for any info any of you can give me. God Bless, Shelly Wooly Acres - Herbster, WI Jacobs, Icelandics, Black Cotswolds, English Angora rabbits, One wild bottle baby bunny (Pekachu), Austrialian Shepherd, Bull Mastiff, English Setter, hampster, & chickens From spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com Tue May 9 11:02:46 2000 From: spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com (Jim Spahr) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Spinning Message-ID: <003401bfb9c7$a3ab3480$b096453f@cyrix> Shelly, I did not have the patience to use the drop spindle either, so went straight to an electric spinner. I like to use it because it is small and I do not have to treadle. I control the twist and thickness of the yarn, so it is still handspinning. I hope you enjoy your new spinning wheel. I have 3 English Angora rabbits now, and like to blend their fiber with Jacob. It makes a beautiful yarn, as Mary Ellen knows also. I saw a lady once with her Angora on her lap, spinning the hair right off the bunny. It really drew a crowd of people. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000509/52282aab/attachment.htm From stonecroft235 at juno.com Tue May 9 15:46:12 2000 From: stonecroft235 at juno.com (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Scrapie & correspondence course Message-ID: <20000509.154918.-71711.4.stonecroft235@juno.com> The Maryland Sheep & Wool Festival was wonderful - and a big congratulations to the winners in the Jacob show!!! The Jacob sheep were definitely the most beautiful animals there!!! And meeting some you and now being able to put a face with a name was great - it will make reading this list more interesting. Rich and I are convinced that some of the nicest people in the world are "sheep people." While there we attempted to gain as much knowlege as we possibly could regarding sheep diseases - Scrapie, OPP, Johne's, etc., and found out that some states offer free testing of these diseases. Those of you here in PA will be interested to know that we do have a Scrapie Flock Certification program and our Lancaster Penn State Cooperative Extension is hosting a meeting regarding this on May 22, 7:30 p.m. with Amy Nesselrodt, DVM (USDA Vet) as the speaker. While Scrapie has not been a problem in Jacob flocks, I plan to attend this meeting to glean more information - my thinking is that if I enroll in that program which would cover the farm charge for the vet to come here for a flock check, I could then at the same time request blood draws for some of the other tests, i.e. OPP -- which in turn lowers my out of pocket costs. However, my information at this time is sketchy - I have no idea what being in the program involves - and whether my idea is feasible or permitted. If any of you are interested in this meeting, please contact me for more details, or contact Chester Hughes, Livestock Extension Agent at (717)394-6851, or contact the Extension Office in your locale. Also, are there any veterinarians lurking out there in cyber space in my area who would sell me the syringes/tubes for me to do my own blood draw, who would spin down the blood to be sent to the lab, and allow me to send it to a lab of my choice?? Spending more on testing that the animal is worth doesn't seem to be good fiscal management - and I suppose that is why most flocks have never been tested for some of these things. Also, Wayne Van Valkenburg - since your state of New Jersey does multiple testing for other diseases in conjunction with the Scrapie program, would you be able to forward to me specific information of how your program is conducted, or where to call to get that information. Information from any other states who conduct disease testing as part of their Scrapie program would be helpful to me as I try to figure out where Pennsylvania is in the big picture. Thank you. Also, FYI - the University of Wyoming offers a sheep correspondence course - it is non credit but does qualify for the Professional Teaching Standards Credit. According to the information I have received this course is made up of 12 chapters dealing with a variety of issues - facilities, nutrition, reproduction health & disease, wool, economics, marketing, grazing, predators & orphan lambs. I have not taken this course or known anyone who has, but wanted to pass along this information. The cost is $40 and is available now at the Laramie County Extension Office, 310 West 19th, Suite 100, Cheyenne, WY 82001 or call Phil Rosenlund at (307) 633-4383. This information was part of a mailing I received from our local Extension Agent. Sue Martin Stonecroft ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From creagchild at monad.net Tue May 9 16:45:15 2000 From: creagchild at monad.net (Thomas Simmons) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] sheep Course Message-ID: <001701bfb9f7$7e9c5ae0$461761cc@oemcomputer> For those interested, the sheep course offerred by the U. of Wyoming can be found at http://www.uwyo.edu/ag/ces/County_Info/LARAMIE/Beef-Sheep/index.htm#Sheep thom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000509/f67dbf69/attachment.html From wolfpen at alltel.net Tue May 9 17:03:54 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? Message-ID: <002b01bfb9fa$17eaf560$423766a6@alltel.net> We had our first May lamb born here this past weekend. Just imagine my surprise and delight (ha!) to find another RAM. Oh well, this must be my payback for gloating over all the ewes born last year. Anyway, this ram is from a pretty heavily freckled mother and a moderately freckled sire. I had expected some freckling. He was born with very tightly crimped wool, so I can easily see the pink skin. Before when I've had a lamb, I have always been able to tell if there was freckling or not, even if I've had to look closely. I don't see one single freckle on this lamb. With his skin so easy to see, I've given him a thorough exam. Do freckles sometimes show up later? When? How much later? This lamb's parents both have soft, silky wool, but neither is tightly crimped like he is. I think the stork must have dropped him in the wrong cabbage patch. Jacob genetics certainly are interesting. Linda From wolfpen at alltel.net Tue May 9 19:31:40 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] roman nose vs ugly old ram nose Message-ID: <000a01bfba0e$bd7da5e0$263766a6@alltel.net> Could someone post some pictures to illustrate the difference between a congenital roman nose and the ugly old ram nose that some older rams get as they mature? I have a couple of Nubian goats and I tend a herd for a friend every so often. They are obviously roman nosed from birth - no question about it. My ram (who I've known since he was two days old) always had a nice (as opposed to roman nosed) profile until this year. I can feel and see the scar tissue and I know he wasn't born with this profile. Isn't a roman nose apparent very early in life? I know it is with Nubians and I know it is with horses. Linda From WenlochFrm at aol.com Wed May 10 11:44:40 2000 From: WenlochFrm at aol.com (WenlochFrm@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Scrapie & correspondence course Message-ID: <67.3e6983d.264adde8@aol.com> In a message dated 5/9/00 3:49:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, stonecroft235@juno.com writes: > > The Maryland Sheep & Wool Festival was wonderful - and a big > congratulations to the winners in the Jacob show!!! The Jacob sheep were > definitely the most beautiful animals there!!! I have never been to the Maryland Festival and sure would like to hear more about it from those of you that were able to go. I'm especially interested in the Jacob show, who won, and did they use the card grading system? I would certainly have to agree with you that the Jacobs are outstanding at sheep shows. They truly are one of the most beautiful of the sheep breeds. Joan Franklin From WenlochFrm at aol.com Wed May 10 12:14:44 2000 From: WenlochFrm at aol.com (WenlochFrm@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? Message-ID: <61.369902c.264ae4f4@aol.com> In a message dated 5/9/00 4:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wolfpen@alltel.net writes: > I don't see one single freckle on this > lamb. With his skin so easy to see, I've given him a thorough exam. Do > freckles sometimes show up later? When? How much later? In my experience the freckling has usually shown up by at least three or four months of age. Some say that freckling present in the first year will become more so as the sheep ages, but I can't say that has been true in my flock. I do have one ewe that is six years old that was free of freckles, but now has some on her face if you want to count that as freckling. And one ram that was heavily freckled as a lamb to the point that the white spotting looked grey has much less freckling now, and the white actually looks white now. He was born in June, so some of the freckling as a lamb may have been caused from the sun. I think it was Joan Horak that said the English believe that freckling is linked to coloring on the legs, and from my experience, I'm inclined to agree with that. I love a lot of coloring on the legs and try to breed for it, but I keep a couple of rams here that have no leg coloring and are freckle free that I can breed back to just in case I get into trouble with too much freckling. Joan Franklin From WenlochFrm at aol.com Wed May 10 12:22:03 2000 From: WenlochFrm at aol.com (WenlochFrm@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] roman nose vs ugly old ram nose Message-ID: <44.37be92f.264ae6ab@aol.com> In a message dated 5/9/00 7:24:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wolfpen@alltel.net writes: > Could someone post some pictures to illustrate the difference between a > congenital roman nose and the ugly old ram nose that some older rams get as > they mature? I've never seen a Jacob with a true roman nose, and if I did, I would suspect a fence jumper in the background somewhere. It is not a Jacob trait. The swell we see in the Jacob rams starts to appear in the yearling year. Joan Franklin From Jacobflock at aol.com Wed May 10 16:25:04 2000 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Freckles Message-ID: <96.49f5b25.264b1fa0@aol.com> Fred Horak here. Jacob lambs most often appear to be clear spotted at birth until sheared. At the time of shearing a number of freckles may appear. Some freckles appear as black skin, some freckles seem to be black fiber from white skin. The black fiber is eumelanin which is rooted in the melanin dermis. The ultra violet rays seem to exite the production of melanin and eumelanin. As the Jacob ages the number of freckles grows exponentially and may "bleed" together as an ugly, ill defined spot. The freckling seems to be accompanied by leg markings. Freckling may well be a dominant trait. The description of the parents (freckles w/ leg markings front and back) and the watchful eye of any appearance of freckles on the lamb as it ages is a worthy endeavor. There seem to be interesting analogies with Merinos which are supposed to be white with no black fiber or spots at all. The signs of a "bad" Merino are black stripes in the hooves and horns, black pigment in the nose and lips, black around the eye and eyelash. If a Merino has a black mark on a hind leg, there is an extremely high likeihood (90%) that it will develop black fibers. The Jacob and Merino are reverse images. The Jacob is a dominant black, the Merino is a recessive black. Fred From wolfpen at alltel.net Wed May 10 17:39:53 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? References: <61.369902c.264ae4f4@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001bfbac8$5df499c0$b13766a6@alltel.net> Thanks all, There is certainly alot of information out there about freckles. I'd heard rumors as to the correlation between leg markings and freckles during earlier discussions. I do have one ewe (she's 5 years old now) with black feet, hock and knee patches and no freckles. Until this year, when she was bred to a ram from a heavily freckled line, she has never had a freckled lamb. This year she had twins, one with no leg markings and no freckles and one with all the extras plus freckles. I had heard that the darkening face was an indication that freckling would show up at a later date - haven't seen that yet, but it probably hasn't been long enough for me to tell with the one I have with that trait. The new little boy has black on his hooves, but no other leg markings, so we'll see what develops. Also - does the black spotting on the skin always lead to black fiber? I have one with black skin spots, but it hasn't shown up in the fiber yet. He's two. When people say that freckles show up in the first shearing - does that mean they actually manifest themselves around that time or is this the first that they are noticed? I'm just wondering if I grab this boy at 6 months and do a complete "freckle search" and don't find any, and he doesn't show the darkening face or legs, is there a good chance that he will not be freckled, even though his parents are? Of course by then his horns will probably be on backwards or something. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: 10 May, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] freckles? > In a message dated 5/9/00 4:57:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > wolfpen@alltel.net writes: > > > I don't see one single freckle on this > > lamb. With his skin so easy to see, I've given him a thorough exam. Do > > freckles sometimes show up later? When? How much later? > > In my experience the freckling has usually shown up by at least three or four > months of age. Some say that freckling present in the first year will become > more so as the sheep ages, but I can't say that has been true in my flock. I > do have one ewe that is six years old that was free of freckles, but now has > some on her face if you want to count that as freckling. And one ram that was > heavily freckled as a lamb to the point that the white spotting looked grey > has much less freckling now, and the white actually looks white now. He was > born in June, so some of the freckling as a lamb may have been caused from > the sun. > > I think it was Joan Horak that said the English believe that freckling is > linked to coloring on the legs, and from my experience, I'm inclined to > agree with that. I love a lot of coloring on the legs and try to breed for > it, but I keep a couple of rams here that have no leg coloring and are > freckle free that I can breed back to just in case I get into trouble with > too much freckling. > > Joan Franklin > From WenlochFrm at aol.com Wed May 10 20:00:23 2000 From: WenlochFrm at aol.com (WenlochFrm@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? Message-ID: In a message dated 5/10/00 5:33:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wolfpen@alltel.net writes: > > There is certainly alot of information out there about freckles. I'd heard > rumors as to the correlation between leg markings and freckles during > earlier discussions. I do have one ewe (she's 5 years old now) with black > feet, hock and knee patches and no freckles. Until this year, when she was > bred to a ram from a heavily freckled line, she has never had a freckled > lamb. This year she had twins, one with no leg markings and no freckles and > one with all the extras plus freckles. Hock and knee patches is not what I consider a lot of leg coloring. I have several Jacobs with the usual hock/knee patches that have no freckling. I have twins this year with a whole series of dime-size spots running up and down the backs of all four legs. When they're both moving away from me in the pasture, it's a real psychedelic experience. Two years ago I used a ram with next to no freckling and all white legs over freckled ewes. He sired a number of ewes with the all white legs and, so far, no freckling. Some of them, in turn, were bred to freckled rams. I'm waiting to see if the lambs will develop the freckling. I, also, have had twins, one with leg spotting/freckles and one without, when only one parent was freckled. For me, half the fun of having Jacobs is experimenting and seeing what I get. Someday, when we have all the answers, maybe it won't be as much fun as it is now. > Also - does the black spotting on the skin always lead to black fiber? I > have one with black skin spots, but it hasn't shown up in the fiber yet. > He's two. I recall Janine Fenton saying that freckling may, or may not, show up in the fiber. > When people say that freckles show up in the first shearing - does that mean > they actually manifest themselves around that time or is this the first that > they are noticed? I'm just wondering if I grab this boy at 6 months and do > a complete "freckle search" and don't find any, and he doesn't show the > darkening face or legs, is there a good chance that he will not be freckled, > even though his parents are? It's there before shearing. Some people probably don't notice it, or it is skin pigment only and not noticeable until the wool comes off. Of course by then his horns will probably be > on backwards or something. > There is always something, isn't there, to keep us from breeding that perfect Jacob. Joan Franklin From iseespots at email.msn.com Wed May 10 21:30:35 2000 From: iseespots at email.msn.com (shepherd) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? References: <61.369902c.264ae4f4@aol.com> <000001bfbac8$5df499c0$b13766a6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <002701bfbae8$82a08480$25540a3f@pavilion> Hi, Freckling can't be a straight dominant relationship as I have had a ewe remain unfreckled at 3.5 years (butchered last summer, so can't watch longer) from an extremely freckled dam and a moderately freckled sire with very light legs. And---THANKS Gary for the shock when I opened my front door! Now I have to become educated on mouths. Seems these are moving around some here into a more normal configuration, so will keep you posted. MEH ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. From hettick.1 at osu.edu Thu May 11 09:33:29 2000 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Freckles In-Reply-To: <96.49f5b25.264b1fa0@aol.com> Message-ID: I started off with a very freckled ram, a mildly freckled ewe (both noticeable at first shearing) whose freckles are just starting to bleed into her wool at age three, a lilac ewe who is just showing freckles on her skin now at three and a ewe still clear of freckles at three - with no leg spots. My clear ewe so far has produced only clear offspring with no leg spots (total of three using two different rams). Her yearling daughter is still clear with no leg spots and has twins this year with no leg spots but it's hard to say whether they will develop freckles later. My freckled ewe and the freckled ram produced a daughter that has ticking in her wool noticeable at the first shearing - her freckling at skin level was apparent at just a couple weeks of age. It seems to me there is a lot of variation in freckling and how it shows up on individual sheep. My ticked yearling has unfreckled white areas on her legs, undocked tail and face although the once-white areas on her body look like a German Shorthaired Pointer after shearing. An ewe I bought last year seems to a have a little freckling on the skin on her face giving her a slightly dirty faced look but not much on her body and none extending to her fiber. I have yet to see black fiber coming from white skin though. I found an interesting site on sheep color genetics from another list I'm on. You can change the number at the end for different traits. The following site addresses ticking in particular. http://www.angis.org.au/bin/Databases/BIRX/birx_doc?mis+20 I really enjoy these Jacobs because of the variation not only sheep to sheep, but sometimes year to year too. It sometimes seems overwhelming with so many traits to watch and so much to learn but it is an exciting and rewarding challenge. Heather Hettick - Moonstruck Jacob sheep Creston, Ohio OSU ATI Hettick.1@osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com]On Behalf Of Jacobflock@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:25 PM To: wolfpen@alltel.net; jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Freckles Fred Horak here. Jacob lambs most often appear to be clear spotted at birth until sheared. At the time of shearing a number of freckles may appear. Some freckles appear as black skin, some freckles seem to be black fiber from white skin. The black fiber is eumelanin which is rooted in the melanin dermis. The ultra violet rays seem to exite the production of melanin and eumelanin. As the Jacob ages the number of freckles grows exponentially and may "bleed" together as an ugly, ill defined spot. The freckling seems to be accompanied by leg markings. Freckling may well be a dominant trait. The description of the parents (freckles w/ leg markings front and back) and the watchful eye of any appearance of freckles on the lamb as it ages is a worthy endeavor. There seem to be interesting analogies with Merinos which are supposed to be white with no black fiber or spots at all. The signs of a "bad" Merino are black stripes in the hooves and horns, black pigment in the nose and lips, black around the eye and eyelash. If a Merino has a black mark on a hind leg, there is an extremely high likeihood (90%) that it will develop black fibers. The Jacob and Merino are reverse images. The Jacob is a dominant black, the Merino is a recessive black. Fred _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From hettick.1 at osu.edu Thu May 11 09:43:54 2000 From: hettick.1 at osu.edu (Heather Hettick) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? In-Reply-To: <002701bfbae8$82a08480$25540a3f@pavilion> Message-ID: Actually if freckling is dominant to clear, it would theoretically be impossible to get a freckled sheep from clear parents, but you could get clear from freckled parents if both carried clear. I actually agree though that with all the variation it's probably more complicated that just simple dominant/recessive or even just one gene. Heather Hettick OSU ATI Hettick.1@osu.edu -----Original Message----- From: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com [mailto:jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com]On Behalf Of shepherd Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 9:31 PM To: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] freckles? Hi, Freckling can't be a straight dominant relationship as I have had a ewe remain unfreckled at 3.5 years (butchered last summer, so can't watch longer) from an extremely freckled dam and a moderately freckled sire with very light legs. And---THANKS Gary for the shock when I opened my front door! Now I have to become educated on mouths. Seems these are moving around some here into a more normal configuration, so will keep you posted. MEH ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From millarjs at clarityconnect.com Thu May 11 15:05:14 2000 From: millarjs at clarityconnect.com (Jim Millar) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] a sheep adventure Message-ID: <003301bfbb7b$e2fa76e0$bc4bfea9@oemcomputer> Jacob friends, I am off today on my first out-of-state sheep adventure. The six of us leave today to head towards PEI to pick up some of Dan's sheep. I really look forward to visiting another Jacob breeder and also visiting PEI. I am exhausted already with preparing the farm for the farm sitter (it's like cleaning your house before paying someone else to come clean). A word of advise to all those who are also importing sheep from Canada: Thom's directions were excellent,(Thanks Thom) but I advise you to start the process early. I started early and still ended up making last minute phone calls and last minute faxes. Remember this is the US gov't and the wheels turn slowly. Think of me next Friday-Saturday as we drive 6 sheep and four small children (and one helpful, able husband) 20 hours!! Pam Millar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000511/e860386e/attachment.htm From maplelanehmstd at dialpoint.net Wed May 10 20:09:57 2000 From: maplelanehmstd at dialpoint.net (Kelly Foster) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] last lamb !! Message-ID: <000701bfbadd$3ed13520$3e2abdd8@foster> Hi, Our last lamb was born this evening. A little ram with lots of color and I am pretty sure I can feel 4 little knots. We had a great lambing year -4 rams, 5 ewes. All but three had 4 horns. It was fun but I'm glad it's over--now I can plan for next year...... Md. was fun but I missed the jacob show (was told the wrong time). Congrats to all that were able to show of our pretty breed --win or not!! Kelly -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000511/8f4141d1/attachment.html From stonecroft235 at juno.com Thu May 11 21:42:20 2000 From: stonecroft235 at juno.com (Susan J Martin) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject) Message-ID: <20000511.214221.-258735.0.stonecroft235@juno.com> Kelly, you weren't the only one who missed the Jacob show at MD - our prime reason for staying Sunday was the Jacob show - the fold out schedule in the book listed it in the afternoon, but instead it was in the morning. We were VERY disappointed - but we did enjoy seeing the various Jacob sheep in the barns. If there is a Jacob show next year we make it a point to chain ourselves to the bleachers in the show ring for the entire weekend!!!!!! Sue Martin Stonecroft ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From perfectspot at blueridge.net Fri May 12 12:43:26 2000 From: perfectspot at blueridge.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Counting Lambs Message-ID: <391C34AB.75D5635C@blueridge.net> Our last lambs arrived a few weeks ago, all the adults are sheared, and it feels like summer is right around the corner! We had a mini-population explosion and the flock has grown more than imagined after five out of six ewes produced twins....only one single birth here this year! Some of these duplicate youngsters (both ewe and ram) are for sale. Fleeces look very nice, all are 2 horn this year, and there are a variety of backgrounds represented. Sire to all the lambs this year is a 1999 son of Puddleduck Sir Hugh. Mothers included an old Yakob-Tson girl, as well as Humbug Farm, ISeeSpots Farm, and Belfield Farm ewes. You may e-mail me privately if you want more information. I have pictures that can be sent if interested. Cathy Robinson PerfectSpot Farm---in western North Carolina From 2512 at nethawk.com Sat May 13 10:51:00 2000 From: 2512 at nethawk.com (2512@nethawk.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] fall lamb? Message-ID: <002101bfbcea$a8e65620$44e112d0@default> We have a 4 year old Jacob ewe that did not catch in the fall and our 2 rams are real interested in her. Is it possible that she could breed with them now and have a fall lamb? Just curious. Bonnie Sutten Sheepy Thyme Farm Edmore, MI -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000513/d2b77fae/attachment.htm From kseaman at pacificrim.net Sun May 14 13:33:37 2000 From: kseaman at pacificrim.net (Kathi Seaman) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] rejected lamb success story Message-ID: <00af01bfbdca$8ab00c60$67e3ecc7@default> Last week I posted that a ewe had rejected her lamb after being jugged for four almost five days. The ewe didn't give small little warning butts either, she was horrible, flinging the lamb into the air and smashing it into the walls. Well, since I was leaving for a WEEK and my hubby isn't all that crazy about sheep, bottle feeding wasn't an option so. I tied the ewe inside the stall by her TWO horns (no choking) to the wall not a post (couldn't get tangled). She had enough room to lay down and eat and drink. The lamb was able to go between stalls to get away from the butting and stomping attempts of mom. Hubby was to hold the ewe twice a day for the lamb to nurse. He was going to untie her at night then tie her up again in the morning. When he untied her she started butting him so, you guessed it, she stayed tied for the entire week. After a couple of days he stopped holding the ewe because the lamb wasn't interested in nursing, she had been nursing on her own and wasn't hungry at my husband's feeding times. When I returned home the following Friday I immediately untied my ewe and turned her and the lamb out with everyone else, I also had my Border Collie with me in an effort to keep those maternal protective instincts going. Mother and lamb are doing fine. She has taken her lamb back and life is good. The lamb does tend to run from her when mama heads her way because she is so used to being chased and butted but when the lamb approaches on her own everything is fine. I hope this success story gives others a little hope. Kathi Seaman Hyline Obedience Training for Dogs (HOT for DOGS) 1- 4 yr Belg. Terv. "Cash" Am/Can CH CORVETTE'S ATM AFFAIR PT, NA, CGC AM/CAN CDX, Multi HIT 1-3 yr PWD "Lexi" Am/Can CH Stargazer's Own Gal-Lexi CGC 1-3 yr Border Collie "Ben" Ben JHD Jacobs, Blackbelly and St. Croix sheep Washington State From gmjohnston at scoteq.co.uk Tue May 16 03:50:24 2000 From: gmjohnston at scoteq.co.uk (gmjohnston@scoteq.co.uk) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Farewell for a while Message-ID: <0053300000654269000002L092*@MHS> ********************************************************************* * Scottish Equitable plc * * Registered Office: Edinburgh Park, Edinburgh EH12 9SE. * * Regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. * * A member of the Scottish Equitable Marketing Group. * ********************************************************************* Hello Jacob Sheepers, I fear I must unsubscribe from the list in the next few days. Much though I enjoy reading and learning more about jacob sheep and even more about human nature, the time has come to stop doing it in company time. Yup, email monitoring is just about to start here so I feel it would be prudent to lower my head below the parapet a little. Meanwhile, if any of you would like to know anything about jacobs (and other breeds) in Scotland or especially if you intend coming across to visit this strange little country, please contact me direct - gmjohnston@scoteq.co.uk One day I will buy a pc for home use, honest. Gordon Johnston Wester Gladstone Native Breeds Biggar Scotland From bissell at usit.net Tue May 16 07:53:54 2000 From: bissell at usit.net (Edd Bissell) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] GP needed Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000516115354.009dd958@pop.usit.net> > >Anyone in the San Diego/Valler Certer, Ca area have or know anyone with good, field raised with animals Great Pyrenees?? Have someone interested in buying one for goats in a 5 ac fenced area - coyotes big problem. > >====== > Edd Bissell = Hidden View Farm = Rare and Primitive Breed Animals Scottish Blackface=Jacob=Barbados=Texas Dall=Navajo-Churro=Churro Hairsheep ====Tennessee Nervous Meat Goats = = Great Pyrenees LGDs===== = bissell@usit.net = 423-475-4844 = 1435 Collins Road - New Market, Tennessee U.S.A. 37820 From runzicker at erols.com Tue May 16 08:14:15 2000 From: runzicker at erols.com (Royal D. Unzicker) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Jacobs for sale Message-ID: <39213B97.400C@erols.com> Hi Jacob Breeders, After taking stock of my flock yesterday, even I (not my wife) decided I have too many sheep for limited acerage. Or maybe it was my back talking after I finished shearing yeasterday! I am going to the AGM at Southwind Farms in NY in June. If anyone is interested in any Jacobs I could transport them there or try to arrange connections through there. If anyone has any interest in ram/ewe lambs or ewes, contect me privately and I'll discuss what I have. Pictures are available. Thanks, Royal From creagchild at monad.net Wed May 17 19:16:32 2000 From: creagchild at monad.net (Thomas Simmons) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] academic ideas Message-ID: <004901bfc055$f26c4c00$5c1761cc@oemcomputer> Okay friends, some news - I was recently appointed the coordinator of a new Agricultural Business program at our Community College (I'm in the Connecticut River Valley in New England, but this may be of interest to all of you). I am being asked to develop curriculum suitable for people currently farming or involved in agriculture (largely small-scale stuff). Being a shepherd, I naturally began thinking about some of the courses offerred in the midwest (kind of a how-to, 12 weeks of sheep basics kind of things. Maybe even health and vet-tech type of courses). I also thought about tax accounting, which is a bane to many farmer-folk. Anyway, do any of YOU have any ideas? I must build this program from the ground up. It is to be geared toward farmers, NOT full-time students. Also, I have a choice of offerring day classes, evening classes, weekend classes, video classes, and correspondance classes. Anything here grab any of you? thanks for your input . . thom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000517/936a46f6/attachment.html From athomemom36 at hotmail.com Wed May 17 22:54:56 2000 From: athomemom36 at hotmail.com (athome mom) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Downed Sheep Message-ID: <20000518025456.21284.qmail@hotmail.com> Hello fellow sheepers, It seems I have lost my prize ewe to an injury. She was misbehaving, she butted a little sick lamb and my husband stomped at her and she ran right into a gate post. At first we thought it was just a shoulder injury, so did the vet, but it seems that it was a spinal chord injury. She hasn't gotten up since the accident. I have the grim task of taking her to the vet in the morning to be put to sleep, then on to the diagnostic lab for an autopsy. This just totally breaks my heart. I paid a pretty penny for this ewe and she just gave me the most perfect little twins. I'm anxious to see what the autopsy will reveal. So, I'm in the market for another breeding ewe. I'm in the mtns of N.C., if anyone has anything close by please let me know. Have a great day, Tina Bowman Azalea Farms ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From Jacobflock at aol.com Thu May 18 10:51:50 2000 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Downed Sheep Message-ID: <3b.50735ca.26555d86@aol.com> We have had some luck with injuries like this (usually in a ram). It does take a little time, but the use of antiflammatories may help. Depending on how the ewe hit whatever she hit, it could also be that she has Dysplasia which causes the spinal cord be pinched when the neck is injured. If she has compressed a disc she may be fine after the swelling goes down. We have had sick lambs in the past that a particular ewe decided should no longer be on this Earth. We learned that the sick ones should be isolated with their mom until they are better. Sometimes lambs that have something wrong with them are singled out by the members of the flock for extermination. Those lambs should probably be put down as something is seriously wrong with them. Take a good look at lambs like this. Joan Horak From Jacobflock at aol.com Thu May 18 11:01:17 2000 From: Jacobflock at aol.com (Jacobflock@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] freckles? Message-ID: <69.52196d3.26555fbd@aol.com> In a message dated 5/10/00 4:34:17 PM Central Daylight Time, wolfpen@alltel.net writes: << Also - does the black spotting on the skin always lead to black fiber? I have one with black skin spots, but it hasn't shown up in the fiber yet. >> We have many sheep that have "mottled" skin but no black wool coming from it. Since this shows up most heavily on the back, it seems it may be a reaction to the sun here. We have seen freckles on new born lambs, appearing at several months of age and sometimes not appearing until age two. We got a ram from NY that had not had any freckles according to the owner. When we sheared him, he was freckled and the next year he was very freckled. This ram was about 4 by then. What I see is that MOST Jacobs have freckles and this seems to be a dominant trait. What I would not like to see is all Jacobs with freckles which is a distinct possibility over time if breeders do not pay attention. Joan Horak From SJohn21855 at aol.com Thu May 18 12:22:31 2000 From: SJohn21855 at aol.com (SJohn21855@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! Message-ID: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> Hi all, Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully (not wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has experienced and they can tell me what to do. After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I felt testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking out all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded have no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both of the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there going to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? Thanks for the input. God Bless, Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, Shelly Johnson Wooly Acres Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian Shepherd and assorted other animals From wolfpen at alltel.net Thu May 18 14:04:58 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> Message-ID: <000b01bfc0f3$97630c60$683766a6@alltel.net> Shelly You touched on something I know about having done the same thing with the first ram I banded. He was a bottle lamb (not a Jacob) so I banded him thinking he would be a nice pet quality sheep. He never became aggressive towards me, but the day the pet owner came to get him he knocked her to the ground. She decided that he wasn't going to be a pet at her farm. Then one day I say him standing with his feet on the fence and it all became clear. Well defined beneath the skin were two testicles. I had gotten the scotum, but had kinda forgotten something! Beavis the Butthead was moved indoors (to the freezer) and I learned to check a little more carefully. I raised him to about 8 months first and there was never a problem. I believe the practice of just removing the scotum is used sometimes in raising freezer lambs - something about thinking that they grow better. So I would not expect any health problems. In my experience with Jacob lambs, it seems to take around three weeks before you can get a grip on the testicles. Does this fit in with other breeder's experience? I have one now that is almost four weeks and I can just feel them, but can't get them down enough to band. I'm worried that it may be too late to band - any advice? As all my cull rams go for freezer lambs, I haven't bothered banding in a few years. Someone specifically wants this one as a wether so if anyone has any thoughts on whether it's too late to band, I'd appreciate it. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 18 May, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! > Hi all, > Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully (not > wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has > experienced and they can tell me what to do. > After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I felt > testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking out > all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded have > no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both of > the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there going > to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? > Thanks for the input. > God Bless, > Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, > Shelly Johnson > Wooly Acres > Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian Shepherd > and assorted other animals > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From iseespots at email.msn.com Thu May 18 15:27:45 2000 From: iseespots at email.msn.com (shepherd) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! banding ages on wethers-to-be References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> <000b01bfc0f3$97630c60$683766a6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <003301bfc0ff$25bd0000$1f540a3f@pavilion> Linda and all, I tend to feel like a real idiot, but most of the time I can't be absolutely certain I have both testicles down below the band until the ram lamb is 4-6 weeks of age. I try to select the coolest time to do it as they seem to do almost no reactions when it is cooler. I would be very cautious of banding anything in the warmth we are experiencing (since February flies galore at my place, so NOTHING has been banded or docked this year). Fly spray every couple days should do the tgrick, though. MEH ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. From Robvcas at aol.com Thu May 18 16:21:59 2000 From: Robvcas at aol.com (Robvcas@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] castrating lambs Message-ID: By removing the scrotum but not the testicles, the ram may be sterile after awhile because the body heat kills the sperm. The testicles would still be producing testosterone tho, so the little guy will THINK he's a ram. Does anyone have any experience using an Emasculatome castrating tool on bigger lambs ? I bought one that came with very brief instuctions, and I'm not sure of the technique. I believe its safer to use than banding on older lambs, or when flies are a problem. Robin C. From messen at socket.net Thu May 18 19:11:16 2000 From: messen at socket.net (Mark Essen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> Message-ID: <001d01bfc11e$613053c0$64e1fea9@oemcomputer> Around here I have heard that some people do this on purpose to improve the meat quality, but not stunt the growth. The body heat should prohibit viable semen from being produced. I have never bought into this method, but it is common enough to have a name--they call it short-sacking". Mark Essen and Amy Raburn Famous Acres 6701 County Road 353 Fulton, Mo. 65251 (573)642-0350 messen@socket.net Jacobs 4-Horn Sheep, Pygmy Goats, Peafowl, Turkeys, Highland Cattle, Yak, Emu, Fallow Deer, Zebu Cattle all living together in the Kingdom of Callaway ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 11:22 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! > Hi all, > Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully (not > wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has > experienced and they can tell me what to do. > After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I felt > testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking out > all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded have > no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both of > the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there going > to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? > Thanks for the input. > God Bless, > Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, > Shelly Johnson > Wooly Acres > Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian Shepherd > and assorted other animals > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From kseaman at pacificrim.net Thu May 18 20:49:31 2000 From: kseaman at pacificrim.net (Kathi Seaman) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Banding young vs older Message-ID: <003201bfc12c$1953b020$1ee4ecc7@default> We banded my ram lambs this year at 6 weeks and everything went fine. They are all nice little wethers now. The down side I believe with waiting is that it probably hurts them more, but hey, it can't feel good anytime we do it!. JMO Kathi Seaman 3 yr Border Collie "Ben" Ben JHD Jacobs, Blackbelly and St. Croix sheep Washington State - From gmjohnston at scoteq.co.uk Fri May 19 03:56:17 2000 From: gmjohnston at scoteq.co.uk (gmjohnston@scoteq.co.uk) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Banding tup lambs Message-ID: <0053300000689510000002L002*@MHS> ********************************************************************* * Scottish Equitable plc * * Registered Office: Edinburgh Park, Edinburgh EH12 9SE. * * Regulated by the Personal Investment Authority. * * A member of the Scottish Equitable Marketing Group. * ********************************************************************* Aaaargh. And that's just what the lambs think. I band my tup lambs at 2-3 days old. Here it is illegal (and you could be prosecuted for animal cruelty) if you band after 8 days old, though plenty people here band up to a month old - ever tried getting a flock in off a Scottish Hillside? You need to hold the lamb up by the front legs and press his abdomen to pop the testicles into his scrotum, then on with the applicator in one swift movement. Julie and I (much easier with two) can have a lamb banded and on his way back to mum within 5 seconds of catching him. It wasn't always like this. We learned through trial and error over the course of a few seasons. You get pretty nifty at removing bands with the scissors on your Swiss Army knife after a testicle has shot back into the abdomen as you put the band on. Always check the scrotum after the band is on to make sure you have both testicles in there. As a male of the species, I must add that my knees are pressed firmly together as I write....... Gordon. From dankennedy at attcanada.net Fri May 19 07:15:34 2000 From: dankennedy at attcanada.net (Dan Kennedy) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> Message-ID: <003701bfc183$8e93f140$06ccc28e@net> I can't help you with your problem although I do know that this happens with some degree of frequency, but I can't help but wonder why you are banding the lambs in the first place if these are freezer lambs. My reasons for asking are that ram lambs grow more quickly and, I and my customers believe, have a better flavour. Unless there is an issue of them breeding ewe lambs that can't be avoided by seperate penning etc., you are making extra work for yourself and increasing health rsks to the lamb. Just a thought! Dan Kennedy Killorglin Farm Prince Edward Island Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:22 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! > Hi all, > Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully (not > wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has > experienced and they can tell me what to do. > After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I felt > testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking out > all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded have > no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both of > the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there going > to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? > Thanks for the input. > God Bless, > Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, > Shelly Johnson > Wooly Acres > Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian Shepherd > and assorted other animals > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From williams at jacobsheep.com Fri May 19 16:58:29 2000 From: williams at jacobsheep.com (Mark and Cathie Williams) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ad: lamb delivery to Ohio Message-ID: <008201bfc1d5$00ca0e60$de68490c@mawill1> We still have a good selection of lambs for sale and have the potential to deliver a few to the midwest in the near future. I'm taking a business trip into in a few weeks and will be flying on an airline that would allow me to transport lambs in dog crates as excess baggage. If anybody in the area has been wanting to bring in some outside bloodlines, this could be your perfect opportunity. Details: Deliver would be to the Cincinnati airport the evening of June 5. There would be a $50 airline fee, and the cost of whatever vet paperwork would be required. I can fit one of our older lambs or 2 of the youngsters. Take a look at http://www.jacobsheep.com/forsale-el.htm for ewes or http://www.jacobsheep.com/forsale-rl.htm for rams. Photos are a bit out of date - I can provide current pictures to anybody intersted. Email us for details. - Mark Williams Swallow Lane Farm & Fiberworks http://www.jacobsheep.com From dazazel at usit.net Sat May 20 12:01:58 2000 From: dazazel at usit.net (dazazel@usit.net) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] New lamb Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000520160158.0067dc08@pop.usit.net> Well, I went to the Knoxville Rare Livestock Expo today, not planning to buy anything since I'm broke until I get my paycheck--but I ended up with a ram lamb. I was admiring a lady's Jacob lambs and asked if any of them were ram lambs. She said all three were and that they were only $50. Well, I didn't have $50 but just that minute the guy who owns the land I keep my sheep on appeared at my elbow like he'd just dropped out of the sky and offered to buy one of the lambs for me. How could I refuse? I picked a 4-horned guy with really nice markings--he doesn't have as much separation between his horns as I would like on the left side, but he looks good. The only problem is, he's only a couple of months old and not entirely weaned. I don't really like the idea of a bottle-fed ram, but the price was right. I'm keeping him in the house for the time being, and he's walking around driving the cats insane and nibbling on everything. He's really cute! I took him out on a leash a little while ago and he ate some clover and honeysuckle leaves, then when we came back in he started bawling and trying to eat my fingers so I mixed up some replacer milk and gave him about 3 ounces. I don't know if that's enough. The lady said he was getting fed three times a day and is eating a little hay and grain. Any suggestions on how I can wean him quickly (or if I should keep him on the bottle for another month or so)? I'd like to get him out in the pasture as soon as possible, but I want him to be healthy too. I've pretty much decided to name him Bravo. Katherine -- Visit the Valentin Peytchinov Fan Page at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/ Devoted to the best bass opera singer in the world! AND the world-famous Episode I parody at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/swparody.html From wolfpen at alltel.net Sun May 21 07:53:15 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> <003701bfc183$8e93f140$06ccc28e@net> Message-ID: <000101bfc31b$74255440$b93766a6@alltel.net> Dan I agree with you about not castrating freezer lambs. It's extra work and maybe some risk. We eat and sell ram lambs for meat and they both grow well and taste good. I think that Shelly was banding hers so that they could be sold as wethers. She didn't say, but I'd imagine that she's looking at the handspinning or pet market. That's the only time I castrate - when someone looks at a ram lamb and wants to buy him as a wether. Normally I don't cultivate the wether market, but this year someone asked for a particular lamb. As we ended up the lambing season with still more rams (blah!), I'm willing to castrate a few for the wether market. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Kennedy" To: ; Sent: 19 May, 2000 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] oops! > I can't help you with your problem although I do know that this happens with > some degree of frequency, but I can't help but wonder why you are banding > the lambs in the first place if these are freezer lambs. My reasons for > asking are that ram lambs grow more quickly and, I and my customers believe, > have a better flavour. Unless there is an issue of them breeding ewe > lambs that can't be avoided by seperate penning etc., you are making extra > work for yourself and increasing health rsks to the lamb. Just a > thought! > Dan Kennedy > Killorglin Farm > Prince Edward Island > Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep > www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:22 PM > Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! > > > > Hi all, > > Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully > (not > > wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has > > experienced and they can tell me what to do. > > After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I > felt > > testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking > out > > all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded > have > > no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both > of > > the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there > going > > to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? > > Thanks for the input. > > God Bless, > > Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, > > Shelly Johnson > > Wooly Acres > > Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian > Shepherd > > and assorted other animals > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacob-list mailing list > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From millarjs at clarityconnect.com Sun May 21 07:45:56 2000 From: millarjs at clarityconnect.com (Jim Millar) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] back from Canada Message-ID: <005f01bfc31a$2416c020$9c84fea9@oemcomputer> Hello Sheep friends, We have returned from PEI, (a beautiful world very serious about potatoes!) with 6 very cool, very wonderfully healthy sheep. Dan is just as I expected him to be (Don't you all just wonder at that??!!) His place on the island is so peaceful, his wife very fun, his donkey and dog much like my 4 kids (this is good). I traded wool for blankets at the woolen mill there. The mill was worth the long drive to the other side of the island. Every person we met there (believe me we were the only "tourists" there in mid-May!) was incredibly friendly and warm. It was nice to come home to an exploding spring (even though my locals are usually grouchy). Maritime Canada was just begining to leaf out. Royal, your sheep are beautiful and healthy. I am happy to keep them for a while because while we were gone we had yet more rain and I can not keep up with the grass in my pastures. I need a few more mouths until the inevitable summer drought hits. I think I'll go out and stare at my new sheep like a dumstruck new mother! P.S. Because I returned with a new ram I really need to move on my current ram. I have far too many males on my farm. He is 4 horned, nice wool, mellow dude. Trades are workable for me. Anyone in the market for a ram? Pam Millar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000521/34b8b20e/attachment.htm From dankennedy at attcanada.net Sun May 21 08:14:38 2000 From: dankennedy at attcanada.net (Dan Kennedy) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] New lamb References: <2.2.32.20000520160158.0067dc08@pop.usit.net> Message-ID: <007f01bfc31e$24066fa0$10ccc28e@net> If he is over 56 days, you could probably wean him. Treating him like a pet is definitely going to lead to problems down the road. If you feel that he really needs to be bottle fed, stick him out in the barn with other sheep and have contact with him only at feeding times. It's important that he knows he's a sheep not a people. Dan Kennedy Killorglin Farm Prince Edward Island Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 1:01 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] New lamb > Well, I went to the Knoxville Rare Livestock Expo today, not planning to buy > anything since I'm broke until I get my paycheck--but I ended up with a ram > lamb. I was admiring a lady's Jacob lambs and asked if any of them were ram > lambs. She said all three were and that they were only $50. Well, I didn't > have $50 but just that minute the guy who owns the land I keep my sheep on > appeared at my elbow like he'd just dropped out of the sky and offered to > buy one of the lambs for me. How could I refuse? I picked a 4-horned guy > with really nice markings--he doesn't have as much separation between his > horns as I would like on the left side, but he looks good. The only problem > is, he's only a couple of months old and not entirely weaned. I don't > really like the idea of a bottle-fed ram, but the price was right. I'm > keeping him in the house for the time being, and he's walking around driving > the cats insane and nibbling on everything. He's really cute! I took him > out on a leash a little while ago and he ate some clover and honeysuckle > leaves, then when we came back in he started bawling and trying to eat my > fingers so I mixed up some replacer milk and gave him about 3 ounces. I > don't know if that's enough. The lady said he was getting fed three times a > day and is eating a little hay and grain. Any suggestions on how I can wean > him quickly (or if I should keep him on the bottle for another month or so)? > I'd like to get him out in the pasture as soon as possible, but I want him > to be healthy too. I've pretty much decided to name him Bravo. > > Katherine > > -- > Visit the Valentin Peytchinov Fan Page at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/ > Devoted to the best bass opera singer in the world! AND the world-famous > Episode I parody at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/swparody.html > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From dankennedy at attcanada.net Sun May 21 08:18:11 2000 From: dankennedy at attcanada.net (Dan Kennedy) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] back from Canada References: <005f01bfc31a$2416c020$9c84fea9@oemcomputer> Message-ID: <00c101bfc31e$a276e7c0$10ccc28e@net> Glad to hear that you made it home ok. Any border problems? I still think your kids are great! Come back and visit again. Dan Kennedy Killorglin Farm Prince Edward Island Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Millar To: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 8:45 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] back from Canada Hello Sheep friends, We have returned from PEI, (a beautiful world very serious about potatoes!) with 6 very cool, very wonderfully healthy sheep. Dan is just as I expected him to be (Don't you all just wonder at that??!!) His place on the island is so peaceful, his wife very fun, his donkey and dog much like my 4 kids (this is good). I traded wool for blankets at the woolen mill there. The mill was worth the long drive to the other side of the island. Every person we met there (believe me we were the only "tourists" there in mid-May!) was incredibly friendly and warm. It was nice to come home to an exploding spring (even though my locals are usually grouchy). Maritime Canada was just begining to leaf out. Royal, your sheep are beautiful and healthy. I am happy to keep them for a while because while we were gone we had yet more rain and I can not keep up with the grass in my pastures. I need a few more mouths until the inevitable summer drought hits. I think I'll go out and stare at my new sheep like a dumstruck new mother! P.S. Because I returned with a new ram I really need to move on my current ram. I have far too many males on my farm. He is 4 horned, nice wool, mellow dude. Trades are workable for me. Anyone in the market for a ram? Pam Millar -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000521/f13f8b8d/attachment.html From melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca Sun May 21 09:14:46 2000 From: melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca (Chovhani) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! References: <90.48022c7.265572c7@aol.com> <003701bfc183$8e93f140$06ccc28e@net> <000101bfc31b$74255440$b93766a6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <001301bfc326$8a81d000$3e4bacce@Melanie> Last year we were given a leg of lamb from a 3 year old ram who had not served is purpose, as it were. Not quite sure what we expected but it was absolutely delicious, so much so I crave some again. That did it for us. No castrating, ever. Melanie Protect your system against the KAK worm: http://earthhome.tripod.com/kakscan.exe Call me paranoid but until this latest epidemic of viruses is over, any e-mail arriving in my box with attachments, or with fw or fwd in the subject line will be deleted on arrival. Don't expect a reply! ----- Original Message ----- From: wolfpen To: Dan Kennedy ; ; *Jacob discussion group Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] oops! Dan I agree with you about not castrating freezer lambs. It's extra work and maybe some risk. We eat and sell ram lambs for meat and they both grow well and taste good. I think that Shelly was banding hers so that they could be sold as wethers. She didn't say, but I'd imagine that she's looking at the handspinning or pet market. That's the only time I castrate - when someone looks at a ram lamb and wants to buy him as a wether. Normally I don't cultivate the wether market, but this year someone asked for a particular lamb. As we ended up the lambing season with still more rams (blah!), I'm willing to castrate a few for the wether market. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Kennedy" To: ; Sent: 19 May, 2000 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] oops! > I can't help you with your problem although I do know that this happens with > some degree of frequency, but I can't help but wonder why you are banding > the lambs in the first place if these are freezer lambs. My reasons for > asking are that ram lambs grow more quickly and, I and my customers believe, > have a better flavour. Unless there is an issue of them breeding ewe > lambs that can't be avoided by seperate penning etc., you are making extra > work for yourself and increasing health rsks to the lamb. Just a > thought! > Dan Kennedy > Killorglin Farm > Prince Edward Island > Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep > www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 1:22 PM > Subject: [Jacob-list] oops! > > > > Hi all, > > Boy do I have a dilemma that I don't know what to do about. Hopefully > (not > > wishing any bad luck on anyone) this is something that someone else has > > experienced and they can tell me what to do. > > After my lambs were a week or two old I banded them. I was SURE that I > felt > > testacles down below the rubber band. Well, yesterday I was out checking > out > > all of the lambs and lo and behold BOTH of the ram lambs that I banded > have > > no sacks but I can feel the testacles up in there stomach area. Now, both > of > > the lambs are freezer lambs, but, with the testacles up inside is there > going > > to be health problems before they are big enough to butcher? > > Thanks for the input. > > God Bless, > > Your not so bright fellow sheep herder, > > Shelly Johnson > > Wooly Acres > > Jacob sheep, Black Cotwolds, Icelandics, Angora rabbits, Austrialian > Shepherd > > and assorted other animals > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacob-list mailing list > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > _______________________________________________ Jacob-list mailing list Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com Sun May 21 10:24:04 2000 From: spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com (Jim Spahr) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Locked Horns Message-ID: <001b01bfc330$39478c20$c496453f@cyrix> This week my husband and son reported that two of our two-horned rams had their horns locked and could not separate themselves. They were frantically trying to get apart, with no success. One ram had to be picked up and turned upsidedown to get the horns unlocked. We have had our Jacobs get horns stuck in fences a few times, but have never had this happen before. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000521/b9b8dcc2/attachment.htm From SJohn21855 at aol.com Sun May 21 18:24:08 2000 From: SJohn21855 at aol.com (SJohn21855@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] castrating males Message-ID: <28.5f01883.2659bc08@aol.com> Dan and all, Being new to the sheep world, I didn't realize that rams didn't have a "rammy" taste when put in the freezer. That was one of the reasons that I banded my lambs. The other reason was as stated, to try for the wether market. I was trying to make it where I could go either way. Since these guys still have the works (that I tried so hard to get rid of) they are diffenately going in the freezer. No real hardship as I love the taste of lamb. The last of the three ram lambs still has all the works. One reason is because he looks like he could have ram potential, the other is that I hear tell that un-castrated male sheep make really good meat. Hey I don't have to be hit over the head to many times before I learn from my mistakes! God Bless you all, Shelly From SharHill at aol.com Mon May 22 10:08:13 2000 From: SharHill at aol.com (SharHill@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Re: Rare breed expo Message-ID: I went to the rare breed expo in Knoxville last weekend. I had a good time. I met an exhibitor who said that she sells miniature Jacobs. She showed me some pictures and they looked just like regular Jacobs to me. Is there really any such thing as a miniature Jacob? Just wondering. Sharon From tartanfarm at mailhub.icx.net Mon May 22 10:50:23 2000 From: tartanfarm at mailhub.icx.net (Karen Smith) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Re: Rare breed expo References: Message-ID: <3929492F.2297@mailhub.icx.net> Hi Sharon That women was there last year as well, right across from me. She had a ram that she called a miniature but was the same size and age as mine. After spending time within ear shot of her booth I think she would call my shire horse a minature if she thought that it would sell better. I know that my sheep meet the "breed standard" for height-just. Her sheep where the same size, if not larger then mine last year. Just my opinion Karen SharHill@aol.com wrote: > > I went to the rare breed expo in Knoxville last weekend. I had a good time. > I met an exhibitor who said that she sells miniature Jacobs. She showed me > some pictures and they looked just like regular Jacobs to me. Is there > really any such thing as a miniature Jacob? Just wondering. > > Sharon > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From iseespots at email.msn.com Mon May 22 13:13:21 2000 From: iseespots at email.msn.com (shepherd) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] breed standard height References: <3929492F.2297@mailhub.icx.net> Message-ID: <001f01bfc411$09658700$cd530a3f@pavilion> Hi all, Unless somebody has information I have missed, there is no breed standard associated with either JSBA or JSC or other extraneous information that has height and/or lengths addressed. There are questions in the research project related to how long and tall the Jacob sheep submitted are at their various ages. The JSC describes the sheep as longer than tall. From my measurements here and what I have heard others talk about, at birth, the lambs are taller than long. The miniature breeders selling approach does have height included if memory serves me correctly. Problem is that when we discussed this a year or so back on this list, our sheep were practically all miniatures per their standard----I am personally turned off by the miniature market anyway, as the overall goal is to sell rather than for the good of the individual breed that is usually represented. I would have loved to go to the expo this year, but time just did not permit this to happen. I do have to get out to see Edd soon. Mary Ellen ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. From tartanfarm at mailhub.icx.net Mon May 22 19:23:13 2000 From: tartanfarm at mailhub.icx.net (Karen Smith) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:17 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Re: breed standard height References: <3929492F.2297@mailhub.icx.net> <001f01bfc411$09658700$cd530a3f@pavilion> Message-ID: <3929C161.28AD@mailhub.icx.net> shepherd wrote: > Unless somebody has information I have missed, there is no breed standard No mary ellen, I meant the "standard" sort of tongue and cheek since I remember last years discussion. sorry for any confusion. Brain and fingers don't always go together here. Karen From jcuster at rconnect.com Wed May 24 21:32:59 2000 From: jcuster at rconnect.com (Jeanne Custer) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] ewes losing wool Message-ID: <001201bfc5e9$2e409720$9d15a3d1@cstj02> Hi all. I'm hoping you can help us determine the reason why our ewes are losing their wool. About three or four weeks ago, we noticed one ewe was losing her wool down to the skin. We noticed tiny black spots and we figured it was lice and treated for it with a pour-on. Now, the wool has grown back so no skin is visible, but they continue to lose wool. One evening my husband noticed a lamb eating the wool off her mom's back. In all the time we watch them, we've only seen that happen once. They are about 5 weeks into lactation, getting about 2 lbs. of grain a day, lush grass pasture and mineral. We are appreciative of any insight you may have. Jeanne and Jeff Custer Lustleigh Farm Lake City, MN -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000524/4684adb7/attachment.html From creagchild at monad.net Thu May 25 19:30:28 2000 From: creagchild at monad.net (Thomas Simmons) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] fleeces Message-ID: <002e01bfc6a1$36f4a420$bfec61cc@oemcomputer> General question for everybody - This year I separated most of my fleeces apart by color, sending a batch of white, a batch of black, and a mixed batch for processing into rovings. I only kept one fleece intact, one that had very different qualities than the others (a creamier white, much more fading, and more lanolin). Many marketing-folk have told me that handspinners like a roving that is connected to a particular sheep, so they can ask for "Susiebell" again next year. Now, if one simply send 20 black and white Jacob fleeces for individual processing, doesn't one end up with 20 nearly indistinguishable sets of grey roving? What have most of you found to be the best way to handle this? thom -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000525/d251ad61/attachment.htm From far4 at cornell.edu Thu May 25 22:29:04 2000 From: far4 at cornell.edu (Floyd) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] prelim DNA sequence results Message-ID: I got my first Jacob Hoof DNA sequence finished and compiled today. It worked better than I expected. I compared 1,000 base pairs (letters of sequence) of the mitochondrial (maternally inherited) control region (highly variable / high mutation rate) to 10 other sheep sequences obtained by a study done in New Zealand and to a wild Mouflon. So far the Jacob sequence is more different from the other sheep sequences than they are to each other and diverges earlier from a common ancestor than the other sheep. Of course I need to run more Jacobs and other breeds to refine this but it looks interesting so far. I just recieved a lot of Jacob, Shetland and Churro samples, thanks. I will keep you posted when I get more results. -Floyd From wolfpen at alltel.net Fri May 26 15:17:57 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: <000001bfc747$3123d2e0$723766a6@alltel.net> When I first got sheep, I went out and bought some hand shears. I hated them as they were so hard on my hands, I kept stabbing the sheep with them and I never could get very close to the skin. Than I read an article in an old Threads magazine. The woman used a good pair of sewing scissors, tied the sheep to the fence, and sat on a five gallon bucket. I tried that 7 years ago and it worked fine for me. The scissors fit my hand well and my hand didn't cramp up. Scissors worked fine on the open fleeces of my Jacob Sheep. I would carry a little corn in my pocket and hand feed the ewes while I was shearing so they got pretty tame and used to being tied. This helps when I need to do anything with them. A sheep that will calmly stand tied is alot easier to work on than one that fights you all the time. Three years ago, I decided that I'd go "big time" and buy myself some electric shears. The first thing I did was just about skin one. I sheared my own knuckles (that hurt!) The sheep had to be forcefully held as they didn't like the sound. My fleeces were a mess. My back hurt. But, I'd paid for them and, by darn, I was going to learn to use them. I used to shear in February or March. I started shearing later and later, just so I wouldn't have to try again with the electric shears. This year I started again with the electric shears. I did two sheep and went to get my scissors and my 5 gallon bucket. I'm back to tying the sheep, having long discussions with them regarding the state of the universe, feeding them a little corn, and taking off some usable wool. I find I'm enjoying the shearing now (wish I'd started when it was a little cooler, though!) that I don't have to face all that noise and bother. Anyone interested in some seldom used electric shears? Linda From dazazel at usit.net Fri May 26 22:58:20 2000 From: dazazel at usit.net (dazazel@usit.net) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: <2.2.32.20000527025820.0068a648@pop.usit.net> At 03:17 PM 5/26/00 -0400, you wrote: >and I never could get very close to the skin. Than I read an article in an >old Threads magazine. The woman used a good pair of sewing scissors, tied >the sheep to the fence, and sat on a five gallon bucket. I tried that 7 >years ago and it worked fine for me. The scissors fit my hand well and my I tried shearing with scissors earlier this spring and they just got all gummed up and dull within moments. Do you use any particular kind of scissors? Hmm, maybe mine weren't sharp to begin with--I assumed they were since they were new. Katherine -- Visit the Valentin Peytchinov Fan Page at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/ Devoted to the best bass opera singer in the world! AND the world-famous Episode I parody at http://www.public.usit.net/dazazel/swparody.html From iseespots at email.msn.com Sat May 27 07:43:43 2000 From: iseespots at email.msn.com (shepherd) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing References: <2.2.32.20000527025820.0068a648@pop.usit.net> Message-ID: <000f01bfc7d0$d074be20$66530a3f@pavilion> Hi all, The shearing expeditions have sounded fun. I routinely shear my flock (this year didn't because of hand problems) with hand blades without any problems. It didn't start out that way. A dull pair of blades of any sort will make the person trying to do the cutting say and think some pretty nasty things. My blades were getting way out of shape in the middle of one of my rams, so I shipped one of the kids in to get a pair of kitchen scissors. They at least got me through the area while my hubby dutifully sharpened up the blades for me so I could finish. I have one pair that will NOT hold an edge, and since they were my grandfather's, I was bound and determined to make them work. Well-----they are historical pieces now and I am using the current ones that will hold an edge. I had one sheep one time (Thom---Doris' mom) that dulled THREE blades as I worked on her. She had the worst fleece of any Jacob I think I have ever seen! If you aren't going to show your fleece in some fleece judging competition, it matters not one stitch if that fleece comes off in 50 pieces or one. What is important is that if you are shearing your sheep and spending the time with them in the process that you and them somewhat enjoy the process (or make the best of a bad situation). I have tied mine to trees, fence posts. I have set them on their rears and laid them down on their sides (always watching they don't stay too long with rumen activity). The results I have had and what I have seen with household scissors generally are not as good as the blades will provide after a little experience. The blades are designed to do this job. Sort of like using a pocket knife to cut open a head of lettuce----will do the job, but there are better knives on the market for the task that will make it much easier. I have a question for those of you with much more 4-horned experience than me------with the ram lambs------the lateral horns when they are coming up---aren't they usually smaller than the top horns? I have a 6-horned ewe that has a very nicely separated 4-horned ram lamb (named Nuts because I said, "Oh nuts!" when I realized he was not a she and had everything else going for him) with what I am anticipating will be fusing on the lower lateral position. They will have to come on up further, and he was born about 10 days ago, so there is plenty of time yet. I am just getting curious and antsy. Funny thing happened as I walked into the sheep shed the other day-----there were NO girls in there that did not have 4 horns! That was a rather interesting site for me, but made me think that slowly I am moving in that direction even though I keep plenty of 2 horns around and will because of their ease in care as well as lower cull rate. Mary Ellen ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. From dankennedy at attcanada.net Sat May 27 08:58:23 2000 From: dankennedy at attcanada.net (Dan Kennedy) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing References: <2.2.32.20000527025820.0068a648@pop.usit.net> <000f01bfc7d0$d074be20$66530a3f@pavilion> Message-ID: <004301bfc7db$3e891640$d9ccc28e@net> Electric should work ok but you have to be sure that they have a sheep head or you will have all kinds of trouble. Dan Kennedy Killorglin Farm Prince Edward Island Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: shepherd To: ; Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > Sender: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > Errors-To: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > X-BeenThere: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) > Precedence: bulk > List-Id: Jacob sheep discussion > > Hi all, > > The shearing expeditions have sounded fun. I routinely shear my flock (this > year didn't because of hand problems) with hand blades without any problems. > It didn't start out that way. > > A dull pair of blades of any sort will make the person trying to do the > cutting say and think some pretty nasty things. My blades were getting way > out of shape in the middle of one of my rams, so I shipped one of the kids > in to get a pair of kitchen scissors. They at least got me through the area > while my hubby dutifully sharpened up the blades for me so I could finish. > I have one pair that will NOT hold an edge, and since they were my > grandfather's, I was bound and determined to make them work. Well-----they > are historical pieces now and I am using the current ones that will hold an > edge. > > I had one sheep one time (Thom---Doris' mom) that dulled THREE blades as I > worked on her. She had the worst fleece of any Jacob I think I have ever > seen! > > If you aren't going to show your fleece in some fleece judging competition, > it matters not one stitch if that fleece comes off in 50 pieces or one. > What is important is that if you are shearing your sheep and spending the > time with them in the process that you and them somewhat enjoy the process > (or make the best of a bad situation). I have tied mine to trees, fence > posts. I have set them on their rears and laid them down on their sides > (always watching they don't stay too long with rumen activity). > > The results I have had and what I have seen with household scissors > generally are not as good as the blades will provide after a little > experience. The blades are designed to do this job. Sort of like using a > pocket knife to cut open a head of lettuce----will do the job, but there are > better knives on the market for the task that will make it much easier. > > I have a question for those of you with much more 4-horned experience than > me------with the ram lambs------the lateral horns when they are coming > up---aren't they usually smaller than the top horns? I have a 6-horned ewe > that has a very nicely separated 4-horned ram lamb (named Nuts because I > said, "Oh nuts!" when I realized he was not a she and had everything else > going for him) with what I am anticipating will be fusing on the lower > lateral position. They will have to come on up further, and he was born > about 10 days ago, so there is plenty of time yet. I am just getting > curious and antsy. > > Funny thing happened as I walked into the sheep shed the other day-----there > were NO girls in there that did not have 4 horns! That was a rather > interesting site for me, but made me think that slowly I am moving in that > direction even though I keep plenty of 2 horns around and will because of > their ease in care as well as lower cull rate. > > Mary Ellen > ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com > Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, > and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. > Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From wolfpen at alltel.net Sat May 27 11:56:07 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing Message-ID: <000c01bfc7f4$145c3c80$353766a6@alltel.net> Mine have a sheep shearing head and the grazer comb recommended for sheep. I've seen lots of people shear well with the same shears. The problem is with me - not the shears! The same with the hand shears - for some reason, they just don't fit my hand and I don't like them. Scissors may not sound very efficient, but they work for me. I've had sheep with the type of close fleece that were hard to shear with scissors. I don't like that kind of fleece, so those sheep are gone. With open fleeced Jacobs and scissors with a sharp point to separate the fleece, I can get the best part of the fleece off in one piece. The trash part I just shear and drop on the ground to be raked up and thrown away. Not all scissors will work well. I use the Fiskar bent handles. A pair will last me a few years (doing a dozen sheep a year). At that point, they are delegated to some other job. They do get gummed up after one or two sheep. That's ok, cause I'm about ready for a break then anyway. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Kennedy" To: "shepherd" ; ; Sent: 27 May, 2000 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > Electric should work ok but you have to be sure that they have a sheep head > or you will have all kinds of trouble. > Dan Kennedy > Killorglin Farm > Prince Edward Island > Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep > www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shepherd > To: ; > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 8:43 AM > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > > > > Sender: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > Errors-To: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > X-BeenThere: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) > > Precedence: bulk > > List-Id: Jacob sheep discussion > > > > Hi all, > > > > The shearing expeditions have sounded fun. I routinely shear my flock > (this > > year didn't because of hand problems) with hand blades without any > problems. > > It didn't start out that way. > > > > A dull pair of blades of any sort will make the person trying to do the > > cutting say and think some pretty nasty things. My blades were getting > way > > out of shape in the middle of one of my rams, so I shipped one of the kids > > in to get a pair of kitchen scissors. They at least got me through the > area > > while my hubby dutifully sharpened up the blades for me so I could finish. > > I have one pair that will NOT hold an edge, and since they were my > > grandfather's, I was bound and determined to make them work. > Well-----they > > are historical pieces now and I am using the current ones that will hold > an > > edge. > > > > I had one sheep one time (Thom---Doris' mom) that dulled THREE blades as I > > worked on her. She had the worst fleece of any Jacob I think I have ever > > seen! > > > > If you aren't going to show your fleece in some fleece judging > competition, > > it matters not one stitch if that fleece comes off in 50 pieces or one. > > What is important is that if you are shearing your sheep and spending the > > time with them in the process that you and them somewhat enjoy the process > > (or make the best of a bad situation). I have tied mine to trees, fence > > posts. I have set them on their rears and laid them down on their sides > > (always watching they don't stay too long with rumen activity). > > > > The results I have had and what I have seen with household scissors > > generally are not as good as the blades will provide after a little > > experience. The blades are designed to do this job. Sort of like using a > > pocket knife to cut open a head of lettuce----will do the job, but there > are > > better knives on the market for the task that will make it much easier. > > > > I have a question for those of you with much more 4-horned experience than > > me------with the ram lambs------the lateral horns when they are coming > > up---aren't they usually smaller than the top horns? I have a 6-horned > ewe > > that has a very nicely separated 4-horned ram lamb (named Nuts because I > > said, "Oh nuts!" when I realized he was not a she and had everything else > > going for him) with what I am anticipating will be fusing on the lower > > lateral position. They will have to come on up further, and he was born > > about 10 days ago, so there is plenty of time yet. I am just getting > > curious and antsy. > > > > Funny thing happened as I walked into the sheep shed the other > day-----there > > were NO girls in there that did not have 4 horns! That was a rather > > interesting site for me, but made me think that slowly I am moving in that > > direction even though I keep plenty of 2 horns around and will because of > > their ease in care as well as lower cull rate. > > > > Mary Ellen > > ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com > > Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, > > and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. > > Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacob-list mailing list > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From fayg at earthlink.net Sat May 27 15:24:26 2000 From: fayg at earthlink.net (Gary Fay) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing References: <000c01bfc7f4$145c3c80$353766a6@alltel.net> Message-ID: <000701bfc811$2d998be0$7007153f@pavilion> Question for the list. What do you use to clean the shears between sheep? Soap and water would seem to be ineffective. Gasoline, Hexane, Ethyl Acetate should do wonders for 'getting the grease out'? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: wolfpen To: *Jacob discussion group Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing > Mine have a sheep shearing head and the grazer comb recommended for sheep. > I've seen lots of people shear well with the same shears. The problem is > with me - not the shears! The same with the hand shears - for some > reason, they just don't fit my hand and I don't like them. > > Scissors may not sound very efficient, but they work for me. I've had sheep > with the type of close fleece that were hard to shear with scissors. I > don't like that kind of fleece, so those sheep are gone. With open fleeced > Jacobs and scissors with a sharp point to separate the fleece, I can get the > best part of the fleece off in one piece. The trash part I just shear and > drop on the ground to be raked up and thrown away. Not all scissors will > work well. I use the Fiskar bent handles. A pair will last me a few years > (doing a dozen sheep a year). At that point, they are delegated to some > other job. They do get gummed up after one or two sheep. That's ok, cause > I'm about ready for a break then anyway. > > Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dan Kennedy" > To: "shepherd" ; ; > > Sent: 27 May, 2000 8:58 AM > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > > > > Electric should work ok but you have to be sure that they have a sheep > head > > or you will have all kinds of trouble. > > Dan Kennedy > > Killorglin Farm > > Prince Edward Island > > Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep > > www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: shepherd > > To: ; > > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 8:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > > > > > > > Sender: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > > Errors-To: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > > X-BeenThere: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > > X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) > > > Precedence: bulk > > > List-Id: Jacob sheep discussion > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > The shearing expeditions have sounded fun. I routinely shear my flock > > (this > > > year didn't because of hand problems) with hand blades without any > > problems. > > > It didn't start out that way. > > > > > > A dull pair of blades of any sort will make the person trying to do the > > > cutting say and think some pretty nasty things. My blades were getting > > way > > > out of shape in the middle of one of my rams, so I shipped one of the > kids > > > in to get a pair of kitchen scissors. They at least got me through the > > area > > > while my hubby dutifully sharpened up the blades for me so I could > finish. > > > I have one pair that will NOT hold an edge, and since they were my > > > grandfather's, I was bound and determined to make them work. > > Well-----they > > > are historical pieces now and I am using the current ones that will hold > > an > > > edge. > > > > > > I had one sheep one time (Thom---Doris' mom) that dulled THREE blades as > I > > > worked on her. She had the worst fleece of any Jacob I think I have > ever > > > seen! > > > > > > If you aren't going to show your fleece in some fleece judging > > competition, > > > it matters not one stitch if that fleece comes off in 50 pieces or one. > > > What is important is that if you are shearing your sheep and spending > the > > > time with them in the process that you and them somewhat enjoy the > process > > > (or make the best of a bad situation). I have tied mine to trees, fence > > > posts. I have set them on their rears and laid them down on their sides > > > (always watching they don't stay too long with rumen activity). > > > > > > The results I have had and what I have seen with household scissors > > > generally are not as good as the blades will provide after a little > > > experience. The blades are designed to do this job. Sort of like using > a > > > pocket knife to cut open a head of lettuce----will do the job, but there > > are > > > better knives on the market for the task that will make it much easier. > > > > > > I have a question for those of you with much more 4-horned experience > than > > > me------with the ram lambs------the lateral horns when they are coming > > > up---aren't they usually smaller than the top horns? I have a 6-horned > > ewe > > > that has a very nicely separated 4-horned ram lamb (named Nuts because I > > > said, "Oh nuts!" when I realized he was not a she and had everything > else > > > going for him) with what I am anticipating will be fusing on the lower > > > lateral position. They will have to come on up further, and he was born > > > about 10 days ago, so there is plenty of time yet. I am just getting > > > curious and antsy. > > > > > > Funny thing happened as I walked into the sheep shed the other > > day-----there > > > were NO girls in there that did not have 4 horns! That was a rather > > > interesting site for me, but made me think that slowly I am moving in > that > > > direction even though I keep plenty of 2 horns around and will because > of > > > their ease in care as well as lower cull rate. > > > > > > Mary Ellen > > > ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com > > > Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, > > > and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. > > > Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jacob-list mailing list > > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacob-list mailing list > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From humbug7 at worldnet.att.net Sat May 27 12:56:23 2000 From: humbug7 at worldnet.att.net (Kate Shirley) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing References: <000c01bfc7f4$145c3c80$353766a6@alltel.net> <000701bfc811$2d998be0$7007153f@pavilion> Message-ID: <392FFE37.5BE5F93D@worldnet.att.net> My shearer uses Oster blade wash. It is designed to get the goo out. Of course, you should oil the shears before use. The blade wash is only intended to clean hair and goo out of the blades. It is not intended to be used on the motor. Basically, you dip the blades in it once in a while wipe off with a rag and re-oil the blades. I am assuming that other brands of blade wash (such as Wahl's) will work equally well, but Oster's is available around here in the stores. Kate Gary Fay wrote: > Question for the list. > > What do you use to clean the shears between sheep? Soap and water would seem > to be ineffective. Gasoline, Hexane, Ethyl Acetate should do wonders for > 'getting the grease out'? > > Gary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: wolfpen > To: *Jacob discussion group > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 11:56 AM > Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing > > > Mine have a sheep shearing head and the grazer comb recommended for sheep. > > I've seen lots of people shear well with the same shears. The problem is > > with me - not the shears! The same with the hand shears - for some > > reason, they just don't fit my hand and I don't like them. > > > > Scissors may not sound very efficient, but they work for me. I've had > sheep > > with the type of close fleece that were hard to shear with scissors. I > > don't like that kind of fleece, so those sheep are gone. With open > fleeced > > Jacobs and scissors with a sharp point to separate the fleece, I can get > the > > best part of the fleece off in one piece. The trash part I just shear and > > drop on the ground to be raked up and thrown away. Not all scissors will > > work well. I use the Fiskar bent handles. A pair will last me a few > years > > (doing a dozen sheep a year). At that point, they are delegated to some > > other job. They do get gummed up after one or two sheep. That's ok, > cause > > I'm about ready for a break then anyway. > > > > Linda > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dan Kennedy" > > To: "shepherd" ; ; > > > > Sent: 27 May, 2000 8:58 AM > > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > > > > > > > Electric should work ok but you have to be sure that they have a sheep > > head > > > or you will have all kinds of trouble. > > > Dan Kennedy > > > Killorglin Farm > > > Prince Edward Island > > > Jacob & Dorset Horn Sheep > > > www.attcanada.net/~dankennedy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: shepherd > > > To: ; > > > Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 8:43 AM > > > Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > > > > > > > > > > Sender: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > > > Errors-To: jacob-list-admin@jacobsheep.com > > > > X-BeenThere: jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > > > X-Mailman-Version: 1.2 (experimental) > > > > Precedence: bulk > > > > List-Id: Jacob sheep discussion > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > The shearing expeditions have sounded fun. I routinely shear my flock > > > (this > > > > year didn't because of hand problems) with hand blades without any > > > problems. > > > > It didn't start out that way. > > > > > > > > A dull pair of blades of any sort will make the person trying to do > the > > > > cutting say and think some pretty nasty things. My blades were > getting > > > way > > > > out of shape in the middle of one of my rams, so I shipped one of the > > kids > > > > in to get a pair of kitchen scissors. They at least got me through > the > > > area > > > > while my hubby dutifully sharpened up the blades for me so I could > > finish. > > > > I have one pair that will NOT hold an edge, and since they were my > > > > grandfather's, I was bound and determined to make them work. > > > Well-----they > > > > are historical pieces now and I am using the current ones that will > hold > > > an > > > > edge. > > > > > > > > I had one sheep one time (Thom---Doris' mom) that dulled THREE blades > as > > I > > > > worked on her. She had the worst fleece of any Jacob I think I have > > ever > > > > seen! > > > > > > > > If you aren't going to show your fleece in some fleece judging > > > competition, > > > > it matters not one stitch if that fleece comes off in 50 pieces or > one. > > > > What is important is that if you are shearing your sheep and spending > > the > > > > time with them in the process that you and them somewhat enjoy the > > process > > > > (or make the best of a bad situation). I have tied mine to trees, > fence > > > > posts. I have set them on their rears and laid them down on their > sides > > > > (always watching they don't stay too long with rumen activity). > > > > > > > > The results I have had and what I have seen with household scissors > > > > generally are not as good as the blades will provide after a little > > > > experience. The blades are designed to do this job. Sort of like > using > > a > > > > pocket knife to cut open a head of lettuce----will do the job, but > there > > > are > > > > better knives on the market for the task that will make it much > easier. > > > > > > > > I have a question for those of you with much more 4-horned experience > > than > > > > me------with the ram lambs------the lateral horns when they are coming > > > > up---aren't they usually smaller than the top horns? I have a > 6-horned > > > ewe > > > > that has a very nicely separated 4-horned ram lamb (named Nuts because > I > > > > said, "Oh nuts!" when I realized he was not a she and had everything > > else > > > > going for him) with what I am anticipating will be fusing on the lower > > > > lateral position. They will have to come on up further, and he was > born > > > > about 10 days ago, so there is plenty of time yet. I am just getting > > > > curious and antsy. > > > > > > > > Funny thing happened as I walked into the sheep shed the other > > > day-----there > > > > were NO girls in there that did not have 4 horns! That was a rather > > > > interesting site for me, but made me think that slowly I am moving in > > that > > > > direction even though I keep plenty of 2 horns around and will because > > of > > > > their ease in care as well as lower cull rate. > > > > > > > > Mary Ellen > > > > ISeeSpots Farm www.iseespots.com > > > > Home of Jacob Sheep, Shetland Sheep, > > > > and German Angora Rabbits, colored German Angora crosses. > > > > Renewable fleeces, loving personalities, friends. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Jacob-list mailing list > > > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Jacob-list mailing list > > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacob-list mailing list > > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list From pavel314 at home.com Sat May 27 19:57:52 2000 From: pavel314 at home.com (Pavel) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing Message-ID: <39306100.56BE7FE5@home.com> Before we started shearing our sheep, we took a two-day shearing class from the county extension agency. This year we took the one day advanced shearing course, which helped a lot. I had gotten away from the New Zealand method, devolving into a style I call "Cut What Shows" while wrestling with the sheep. We dip the business end of the shears into a shallow pan of water between sheep. If a sheep is particularly greasy, a light brushing with a small scrub brush cleans it off. I'd been changing the cutting blade about every three sheep. Someone said that I should be changing the comb every so often as well; does anyone have any opinions on this? We changed from the straight-toothed comb to a lyre-shaped gathering comb this year and it made a world of difference. I have pictures and a write-up on the combs at: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/combs.html Paul Intihar Rainbow Farm Joppa, Maryland Website: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/ From wolfpen at alltel.net Sat May 27 20:38:20 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing References: <39306100.56BE7FE5@home.com> Message-ID: <000301bfc83d$4dee8220$233766a6@alltel.net> I've checked out your site about shearing and it is really a wonderful source of information. I did use the lyre shaped comb, which is recommended for shearing sheep. I have been able to observe some very good professional shearers. In this area we have a man from Australia that travels around during his off season and shears sheep. He has a sheep station with (I believe he said) 1500 sheep, mostly Merinos. He and his wife start their "vacation" in Ireland, move on to the UK, and then spend a few months touring the US. I have watched him shear 40 sheep in a few hours and I believe he only changed the cutter once. He cleans the shears by immersing them in soapy water while they are running. I asked him about the shape of the "grazer" comb. He told me that it is designed to more easily funnel the wool into the cutter. He also said that not everyone finds it easier to use. The only reason I don't have him to shear is that he tends to show up here later than I'd like for a top notch fleece in our hot and humid conditions. I once attended an Alpaca shearing festival where people brought sheep to be sheared. The shearer there was from New Zealand. He was excellent and made fun of the "Australian method". I'm envious of anyone that has mastered the technique of electric shears! I'm reasonably good with power tools and can cut a bulkhead to fit in a sailboat, but for some reason just have not been comfortable or happy with the electric shears. I guess we just do the best we can with what talents we possess :- ) Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pavel" To: "Jacob List" Sent: 27 May, 2000 7:57 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] Shearing > Before we started shearing our sheep, we took a two-day shearing class > from the county extension agency. This year we took the one day advanced > shearing course, which helped a lot. I had gotten away from the New > Zealand method, devolving into a style I call "Cut What Shows" while > wrestling with the sheep. > > We dip the business end of the shears into a shallow pan of water > between sheep. If a sheep is particularly greasy, a light brushing with > a small scrub brush cleans it off. > > I'd been changing the cutting blade about every three sheep. Someone > said that I should be changing the comb every so often as well; does > anyone have any opinions on this? > > We changed from the straight-toothed comb to a lyre-shaped gathering > comb this year and it made a world of difference. I have pictures and a > write-up on the combs at: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/combs.html > > Paul Intihar > Rainbow Farm > Joppa, Maryland > Website: http://members.home.net/rbfarm/ > > _______________________________________________ > Jacob-list mailing list > Jacob-list@jacobsheep.com > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/jacob-list > From Robvcas at aol.com Sat May 27 21:04:45 2000 From: Robvcas at aol.com (Robvcas@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] re: shearing Message-ID: Last year I sheared my four sheep with electric shears, being the first time I'd ever sheared, and this year so far I've done six. What I know I've learned by doing, and a bit of reading. My efforts need much improvement, but one thing I learned by accident is how to clean the blades. I had been using a blade wash of half diesel fuel and motor oil as recommended by the manufacturer, running the blades in it when they gummed up. It really wasn't un-gumming them, so I tried spraying with W-D 40 and brushing with a toothbrush. It works like a charm ! I then wipe the blades, oil them and continue. Its much quicker and easier than the blade wash on my clippers. Robin C. From bissell at usit.net Sun May 28 10:14:38 2000 From: bissell at usit.net (Edd Bissell) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Whole flock for sale. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000528141438.009795c8@pop.usit.net> The Marshall girls from this area are selling their whole flock - about half and half 2 and 4 horns - probalbyu a killer price for the whole flock - anybody interested - probalby 30 or so in all. The 3 girls have used them as a 4H project thru the years and want to sell them now. They have the same problems as I do - ABSOLUTELY noone to shear!!!! ==== Edd Bissell = Hidden View Farm = Rare and Primitive Breed Animals Scottish Blackface=Jacob=Barbados=Texas Dall=Navajo-Churro=Churro Hairsheep ====Tennessee Nervous Meat Goats = = Great Pyrenees LGDs===== = bissell@usit.net = 423-475-4844 = 1435 Collins Road - New Market, Tennessee U.S.A. 37820 From spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com Sun May 28 19:20:36 2000 From: spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com (Jim Spahr) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: <003701bfc8fb$552e2fe0$c796453f@cyrix> Our shearer uses the motor driven electric kind. He is so quick that he usually has another one sheared before I can bag the wool from the previous sheep. Of course it helps that by the time we shear, all the sheep have shed their belly wool. A word of caution about electric shears. Be very careful if you are getting tired, are inexperienced, or have just put on a new blade. Last year after doing around 60 sheep that day, Roger our shearer, put in a new blade and cut the throat on one of our ewes. We had to take her to the vet for stitches, which cost around $100. I got a surprise while looking at the new issue of Spin-Off Magazine. On page 33 are new books from Interweave Press. On the cover of "Handspun Treasures from Rare Wools" is a picture of Spahr Farm Brigadoon. The same picture is posted on Linda's webpage. There are photos and info on endangered breeds, plus the winning pieces from the Save the Sheep Contest included in the book, which sells for $19.95. Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000528/4e57e626/attachment.html From kseaman at pacificrim.net Mon May 29 01:25:10 2000 From: kseaman at pacificrim.net (Kathi Seaman) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Lambs for sale Message-ID: <001201bfc92e$43b3d200$5ce3ecc7@default> I have three ewe lambs (two from twins) and one very nice ram lamb (twin) available. These lambs were born the very end of April prices range from $150 - $200. I am located in the northwestern most part of Washington state. I also have three Blackbelly Barbados wethers for sale $50 each, these are hair sheep and make very nice "no shearing needed" lawn mowers. Please contact me at: kseaman@pacificrim.net for pedigree information and pictures. Kathi Seaman Hyline Obedience Training for Dogs (HOT for DOGS) 1- 4 yr Belg. Terv. "Cash" Am/Can CH CORVETTE'S ATM AFFAIR PT, NA, CGC, CDX, Multi HIT 1-3 yr PWD "Lexi" Am/Can CH Stargazer's Own Gal-Lexi CGC 1-3 yr Border Collie "Ben" Ben JHD Jacobs, Blackbelly and St. Croix sheep Washington State From wolfpen at alltel.net Mon May 29 08:04:08 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing References: <003701bfc8fb$552e2fe0$c796453f@cyrix> Message-ID: <000b01bfc966$0218f360$143766a6@alltel.net> I guess I just don't have the right attitude for using electric shears. I start out tired and inexperienced and get tireder. Although, I am tempted to give it another try after reading all the helpful posts. I can hand shear a sheep in about 15 minutes and it takes me that long to set up the shears but I do hate to give up. Robin, where did you find any information on using the shears? I never could find anything except the little booklet that came with the shears. Mary, I didn't renew my subscription to Spin-Off last year so I didn't see the ad. I can see why someone would want to use Brigadoon's picture on the cover as she is gorgeous. I guess it must be legal to take a picture off the Internet and publish it, but is it ethical? Did you get credit for owning the ewe? Or is there any mention of who she is? Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Spahr" To: "Jacob List Members" Sent: 28 May, 2000 7:20 PM Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Our shearer uses the motor driven electric kind. He is so quick that he usually has another one sheared before I can bag the wool from the previous sheep. Of course it helps that by the time we shear, all the sheep have shed their belly wool. A word of caution about electric shears. Be very careful if you are getting tired, are inexperienced, or have just put on a new blade. Last year after doing around 60 sheep that day, Roger our shearer, put in a new blade and cut the throat on one of our ewes. We had to take her to the vet for stitches, which cost around $100. I got a surprise while looking at the new issue of Spin-Off Magazine. On page 33 are new books from Interweave Press. On the cover of "Handspun Treasures from Rare Wools" is a picture of Spahr Farm Brigadoon. The same picture is posted on Linda's webpage. There are photos and info on endangered breeds, plus the winning pieces from the Save the Sheep Contest included in the book, which sells for $19.95. Mary Spahr From spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com Mon May 29 11:40:44 2000 From: spahrfarm at dragonbbs.com (Jim Spahr) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Picture Message-ID: <001301bfc984$42d3b520$c596453f@cyrix> I had entered a knitted Jacob scarf in the Save the Sheep Contest, and sent some photos along. A lady from Spin-Off magazine called and asked if they could use the photos, so I gave them permission. I thought that they would probably be used in conjunction with a slide show presentation. I was pleasantly surprised however, to see Brigadoon's picture on the cover of the book. I do hope that they gave photo credits of all the rare sheep pictured in the book. It looks interesting, so I will buy the book. To reserve a copy of the book, go to www.interweave.com Mary Spahr -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.pairlist.net/pipermail/jacob-list/attachments/20000529/419adbac/attachment.htm From wolfpen at alltel.net Mon May 29 11:54:43 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Picture References: <001301bfc984$42d3b520$c596453f@cyrix> Message-ID: <000001bfc986$41712d00$c23766a6@alltel.net> Sorry, I misunderstood. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Spahr" To: Sent: 29 May, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: [Jacob-list] Picture I had entered a knitted Jacob scarf in the Save the Sheep Contest, and sent some photos along. A lady from Spin-Off magazine called and asked if they could use the photos, so I gave them permission. I thought that they would probably be used in conjunction with a slide show presentation. I was pleasantly surprised however, to see Brigadoon's picture on the cover of the book. I do hope that they gave photo credits of all the rare sheep pictured in the book. It looks interesting, so I will buy the book. To reserve a copy of the book, go to www.interweave.com Mary Spahr From Robvcas at aol.com Mon May 29 11:45:37 2000 From: Robvcas at aol.com (Robvcas@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: <5b.672458c.2663eaa1@aol.com> Linda and all, the book "Raising Sheep the Modern Way" by Paula Simmons has a full chapter on shearing. Its illustrated step-by-step with line drawings and very well explained. The book is an inexpensive paperback available at feed stores and such. I haven't been able to convince my sheep to lie calmly like in the pictures as I shear, so I got a shearing stand. I straddle and hold them while shearing their neck quickly and then put them in the head hold and shear the rest. I'm terribly slow and careful but optimistic that my skills will improve before I die ! Robin From wolfpen at alltel.net Mon May 29 13:35:41 2000 From: wolfpen at alltel.net (wolfpen) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing References: <5b.672458c.2663eaa1@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001bfc995$36ca4940$903766a6@alltel.net> Robin - I do have that book and it's a big help as far as the process of shearing. I guess my biggest problem with the electric shears is that I just don't know how to adjust them. Are you supposed to keep having to tighten the nut thing that adjusts the tension between the comb and the cutter? My favorite trick is to have everything too loose so that when I start to shear, everything flies off into space. Do you think I could stick one of the sheep on my milking stand? I have plans for a regular sheep head hold (the kind you find on shearing stands) and was thinking about building one and seeing how it worked. I think Joan and Fred said they did their shearing on a stand? Does it take much to get the sheep to stand quietly. The sheep I've seen at shows on stands seem so well behaved. I don't know if all of mine are so placid. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; "jacob-list" Sent: 29 May, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] shearing > Linda and all, the book "Raising Sheep the Modern Way" by Paula Simmons has a > full chapter on shearing. Its illustrated step-by-step with line drawings > and very well explained. The book is an inexpensive paperback available at > feed stores and such. I haven't been able to convince my sheep to lie > calmly like in the pictures as I shear, so I got a shearing stand. I > straddle and hold them while shearing their neck quickly and then put them in > the head hold and shear the rest. I'm terribly slow and careful but > optimistic that my skills will improve before I die ! Robin > From Robvcas at aol.com Mon May 29 13:52:28 2000 From: Robvcas at aol.com (Robvcas@aol.com) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] shearing Message-ID: Linda, a goat milking stand should work fine unless it has a side rail, making it difficult to do both sides. You will need to shear the wool from the neck before putting them in. Some of my sheep stand quietly when they know they're stuck with nowhere to go. Some make every effort to jump up and out of the head hold, they all have there own personalities ! My electric shears are Lister brand and the instructions give a specific tension setting, I suspect that if you have to fiddle with the tension, something's wrong. When I first started shearing, I tended to stay to far away from the sheep's skin for fear of cutting them, but I found that if you carefully lay the blades against the skin they cut easier. The wool seems to be straight and clean right against the skin, and tangled and dirtier further out. When you find that "perfect position" , the shears will slide through the wool and take little effort to cut. Don't I sound like I know what I'm doing ! ;-) Robin From bissell at usit.net Mon May 29 18:29:58 2000 From: bissell at usit.net (Edd Bissell) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Whole flock for sale. Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.20000529222958.00969658@pop.usit.net> > >What blood lines would the "Marshall " girls two/four horned Jacob's be >from?? Any info would be appreciated. Thanks > > >========= Mine and they bought at least a ram from Mary Sparh - they also use one of my rams each year - I think she said they had about 30. === Edd Bissell = Hidden View Farm = Rare and Primitive Breed Animals Scottish Blackface=Jacob=Barbados=Texas Dall=Navajo-Churro=Churro Hairsheep ====Tennessee Nervous Meat Goats = = Great Pyrenees LGDs===== = bissell@usit.net = 423-475-4844 = 1435 Collins Road - New Market, Tennessee U.S.A. 37820 From fleece4u at juno.com Mon May 29 21:48:00 2000 From: fleece4u at juno.com (Jacob Sheep) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Marshall Flock Info Message-ID: <20000529.214804.-916379.0.fleece4u@juno.com> Hi List- Edd wanted me to fill you all in on the flock that the Marshall girls have for sale. We purchased a beautiful 4 horn ram, we named Clover, from Karen this afternoon! The Marshalls have a beautiful selection. Many young rams and ewes. Most of the ram lambs had white fleeces and very little black areas. They have both two horned and mostly fused 4 horns. The young ewes were nicely marked with both white and black spotted areas. She has a total of 24 (or 23 now) that she is looking to sell individually or as a flock. We found the price for the entire flock a little high so she may have to work down if someone was seriously interested. The ewes would make an excellant addition to anyones flock. In our opinion the rams were a bit whiter than what we thought they should be. All in all they were a good looking group of Jacobs. Anyone interested feel free to contact Edd or us and we can get you in touch with Karen. Blessings, Maria & Joe Roy Sevierville, TN ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. From klfoster at netins.net Tue May 30 00:52:13 2000 From: klfoster at netins.net (klfoster) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Hi list people Message-ID: <200005300252.VAA04815@smtp-out.netins.net> Hello, We have raised Jacobs and been JSBA members for 5 years now. Our flock (after March lambing) numbers about 40 sheep and lambs. We are trying to breed good all-round sheep, a nice hand spinning fleece, sheep with good breed characteristics without losing flock diversity. Its all a balancing act. I am an amateur spinner and weaver when time permits. Kim and I both teach school and we have a 10 year old son (a jr. JSBA member), so time is a rare commodity. We live on a farm in northeast Oklahoma in the Ozark Mountain foothills (cow country) and are trying to enlighten the locals to the Jacob breed. Our flock is usually refered to as "those crazy goats". Laurie & Kim Foster From perfectspot at blueridge.net Tue May 30 22:33:20 2000 From: perfectspot at blueridge.net (Cathy Robinson) Date: Wed Feb 2 07:52:18 2005 Subject: [Jacob-list] Ram Lambs 4 Sale Message-ID: <393479EE.23FD3214@blueridge.net> I have two very nice 2-horn ram lambs that are for sale. The sire of both is a son of Puddleduck Sir Hugh. If interested, please contact me privately for more details and pictures. On June 10, Kate Shirley and I will begin our journey north from Raleigh, NC to PEI to pick up our new sheep from Dan. We will be traveling I-95 up the coast, so it would be feasible to bring either of these guys to a destination enroute. Cathy Robinson PerfectSpot Farm