[Jacob-list] Re: Jacob-list ewe lamb
Victoria da Roza
castlerockjacobs at yahoo.com
Thu Feb 24 13:59:57 EST 2005
Thank you for the vote of confidence. It just seems
to me that if we are helping conserve a breed, we need
to look at all the issues. After I bring up an issue
like no penis, I get e-mails directly that Jacobs in
their own flocks have the same issues but shepherds do
not want to go on the list to say the same thing. I
do not think these issues reflect on us as shepherds
or on our Jacobs. They are just issues to learn
about and plan around for the help of the breed
conservation.
On the ewe lamb that did not stand up...how old is
she? I had a ram lamb born that was really big and he
had been so folded up in his Mom that for the first
week he liked walking around on his front knees. In
fact we called him Monk because of it. After a week of
running on the hills he was just as fast and strong as
the others. He was a twin. Our sheep get minerals
and salt "free choice" with a good ratio of selinium
all year long and when the Mom's are pregnant they
also get free choice ocean kelp. So I do not think it
was any deficiency, just that it was cramped in the
ewe. In fact he became alpha lamb within a week.
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> Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:35:06 EST
> From: Jacobflock at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] another "this can't
> happen" at ISeeSpots
> Farm
> To: buffgeese at yahoo.com, jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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> In a message dated 2/21/2005 3:49:22 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> buffgeese at yahoo.com writes:
>
> > One is 2-horned and
> > the other is 4-horned. Both parents are TWO
> HORNED.
> >
> >
>
> If one can set aside Medelian complete doinance and
> the omnipresent
> "splitting gene", consider incomplete penetrance,
> limited multiple alleles or
> pleitropy (split eyelids and multiple horns). The
> results of F1 and f2 offspring seem
> to suggest one of the later mechanisms. Perhaps the
> proof is replicating the
> work done on CH10, the sheep horn locus, comparing
> the chromosomes and
> messenger rna. The question is 100 years old and
> someone may take it up as a master
> or doctoral project.
>
> Fred Horak
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> From: "Sue Martin" <stonecroft235 at juno.com>
> Subject: [Jacob-list] (no subject)
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> Just curious......how do most of you treat pink eye?
> Have you ever had a case that did not respond to
> treatment? I have a case like that
> currently........I just completed a series of
> antibiotic injections of Liquamycin LA and had done
> the same last month. Also have used Terramycin
> ophthalmic ointment. This ewe's eyeball is
> edematous and white - any suggestions? Thanks.
>
> Sue Martin
> Stonecroft Manor
> "The meadows are clothed with flocks of sheep...
> They all shout and sing for joy!"
> Psa. 65:13
>
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> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:26:34 EST
> From: Paintedrockfarm at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Re: Jacob-list different
> lamb
> To: castlerockjacobs at yahoo.com,
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> Victoria,
>
> I applaud your willingness to discuss the problem
> with your wether and I
> read your comments with much interest. It will be
> interesting to see how many
> other comments you may receive about this issue.
> I've heard of too many times
> a "fault" appears that gets swept under the rug
> somewhere instead of being
> reported and tracked.
>
> Although we conserve a wonderful breed, Jacobs are
> not perfect. To be a
> responsible breeder of any animal, it is just as
> important to know and
> understand the how and why of the reason these
> strange/rare abnormalities occur. To
> avoid discussing them doesn't make the issues go
> away. If tracking and
> studying certain traits and/or being able to trace
> them to certain bloodline
> combinations can prevent such things then I'm all
> for it.
>
> Take horses for example, in the American Paint Horse
> you do not want to
> breed 2 horses of the overo pattern together because
> of the lethal white gene
> result probability. In Jacobs, certain bloodlines
> (and combinations) have been
> linked with lysomal storage disease. It would only
> make sense that other
> possibilities have arisen and these types of
> preventable issues can be avoided.
> Of course, there may the case of "fluke" thing
> happening from time to time
> that isn't any type of genetic issue.
>
> I think true responsible breeding comes from
> learning as much as possible
> about potential hereditary traits and avoiding those
> mating's altogether. Some
> may even take it a step farther in culling but I
> tend to disagree. In my
> opinion, avoiding active research and discussion
> regarding faults in this breed
> doesn't really do much for true conservation
> efforts -- regardless of breed
> or type of animal.
>
> That's just my 2 cents -- again, I applaud you for
> opening a door of
> discussion. -- Cheryl
>
> Mike & Cheryl Terrano
> _Painted Rock Farm_
> (http://members.aol.com/paintedrockfarm)
>
> Route 4 Box 726
> Buckhannon, WV 26201-9205
> (304) 457-6620
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> Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:47:25 EST
> From: Countryfried40 at aol.com
> Subject: [Jacob-list] Ewe lamb unable to stand
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> Has anyone here dealt with having a newborn lamb
> unable
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Victoria
Castle Rock Farm
Jacob Sheep & Nigerian Dwarf Goats
www.castlerockfarm.net
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