[Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 43, Issue 46

[Lynette Frick]

Hi all,

For those of you with donkey experience... can mini donkeys be used as flock
guards? I know that mini horses can be just as nasty and do just as much
damage as a big horse, so I assume that it could work the same with donkeys?
I just haven't had much good luck with LGDs. My baby lambs (20lbs) beat up
my first and possibly last Pyr. pup... now she's a 2yr. old HGD -House
Guardian Dog. Leave it to Jacob sheep!

Thanks in advance

Lynette Frick
IDEAL FARM
Jacob Sheep
www.idealjacobsheep.com

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>   1. Re: big/small lambs? (Linda)

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> From: Linda <patchworkfibers at alltel.net>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] big/small lambs?

> To: Melanie Boxall <melanie.boxall at sympatico.ca>,

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> I don't think you can consider a lamb premature going only by the birth

> weight.  You got to factor in vigor and development.  A fully formed 4 lb

> lamb that is up and nursing in 15 minutes is not premature.

>

> Linda

>

> www.patchworkfibers.com

> Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn

>

> > We do weigh, simply because all our less than perfect lambs get

> > sold to a Greek restauranteur and we need a guide to how big

> > they'll be for the Greek Orthodox Easter (24th April this year),

> > and I've never had a single below 6lbs or a twin below 4lbs. I

> > would tentatively suggest that anything smaller is premature?

> > Biggest was 11lbs, a single ram, and he went in OUR freezer for bad

> > markings. Plug ugly. Massive head.

> >

> > Melanie

> > In medio stat virtus

> >

> > http://ministats.free.fr/world_redirection.php?ville=obsville

> >

> >

> >> ----- Original Message -----

> >> From: paintedrockfarm at aol.com

> >> To: patchworkfibers at alltel.net ; jacob-list at jacobsheep.com Sent:

> >> Thursday, March 20, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [Jacob-list]

> >> big/small lambs?

> >>

> >>

> >> HI Linda,

> >>

> >> Our lambs tend to remain on the large side right from birth but

> >> seem to be smaller as yearlings than others I've compared

> >> too....hmmmm

> >>

> >> Our flock matriarch, Barking Rock Brie, routinley popped 10 lb

> >> twins with ease for many years - last 2 times we bred her at 10 &

> >> 11 yrs., she singled each time with 12 lb. lambs.  Most of our

> >> lambs average 7-8 lbs. even for twins, triplets generally 6-7

> >> lbs. each.  Single births hover around the 9 lb. mark most years.

> >>

> >> Exceptions, yes....Sweetgrass Tegwen always has tiny babies! 4-5

> >> lbs. tops, all ewe lambs thus far too.  Birch, Layleigh's dam,

> >> singled for us one year and delivered a 13 lb. lamb with very

> >> little trouble.  She is a bigger Culloden (Fieldwood) ewe and a

> >> good thing or she might not have had him.

> >>

> >> One of our triplet mom's, Brighton Pansy, averages close to 7-8

> >> lbs. even with triplets -- WOW!

> >>

> >> B-T-W we normally feed hay only until after lambing so not sure

> >> why the big babies.  We grain our l acting ewes and/or any ewe

> >> who seems to not have wintered well for the last 2 weeks of

> >> gestation.  Those we grain and those we don't still have 7-8 lb.

> >> lambs, mostly twins.  We found more triplet births in years we

> >> did a flushing program and more singles in damp summer/fall.

> >> just some observances over the years.

> >>

> >> It has been like that since our first lambing year and we weigh

> >> each lamb at birth, then 2 days (tagging & docking) where we see

> >> most have already gained at least a pound, sometimes more.

> >> Weighing again at a week or two, then 30 days and monthly as best

> >> we can.

> >>

> >> Certainly seems interesting!

> >>

> >> Cheryl in WV

> >>

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >> From: Linda

> >> To: Jacob-list

> >> Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 6:36 pm

> >> Subject: [Jacob-list] big/small lambs?

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> >> What's the biggest and smallest lambs (at birth) you've ever had?

> >> I admit that I don't usually weigh lambs anymore unless they are

> >> really big or really small. As long as they are healthy and

> >> vigorous, I'm happy.

> >> My smallest lamb was barely 3 lbs and born last year. He's not a

> >> huge yearling now, but doesn't look out of place with the other

> >> yearling rams.  My biggest lamb was 11 lbs. He was a difficult

> >> birth for his dam (who was somewhat overweight).  Most of my

> >> lambs are 5 to 6 lbs.

> >>

> >> Linda

> >>

> >> www.patchworkfibers.com

> >> Registered Jacob Sheep, Angora Rabbits, Handspun Yarn

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> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:19:51 -0400

> From: "Beatrice Gilbert" <firearth at maine.rr.com>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Gestation time for Jacobs

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> We are lambing this year after many years of not breeding and I don't

> really remember how many days to use to predict the birth date for Jacobs.

>

> I read all your postings with great interest.  It is interesting that when

> you are not breeding, the farm goes along on autopilot more or less.

>  Breeding has really given the farm a boost as everything seems so much more

> important.

>

> Beatrice

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> p.s. Special hello to Royal who got us started with Jacobs 6 years ago.

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> Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 22:51:17 -0400

> From: gotothewhip at aol.com

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Gestation time for Jacobs

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> I used the 147-153 days that is standard for most breeds.? we didnt use a

> marking harness, but instead had everyone ultrasounded.? So I dont think I

> can accuratley say......

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Beatrice Gilbert <firearth at maine.rr.com>

> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

> Sent: Thu, 20 Mar 2008 8:19 pm

> Subject: [Jacob-list] Gestation time for Jacobs

>

>

>

> ?

>

> We are lambing this year after many years of not breeding and I don't

> really remember how many days to use to predict the birth date for Jacobs.

>

> ?

>

> I read all your postings with great interest.? It is interesting that when

> you are not breeding, the farm goes along on autopilot more or less.?

> Breeding has really given the farm a boost as everything seems so much more

> important.

>

> ?

>

> Beatrice

>

> ?

>

> p.s. Special hello to Royal who got us started with Jacobs 6 years ago.

>

> ?

>

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