[Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise

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 I had one on long term Banamine... We gave ORALLY 1 ml/100#? of the injectable up to twice daily.. but usually once a day.? CSU told me that ruminants, specifically small ruminants metabolise Banamine and onther NSAIDS diffrently than Monogstrics.? Most Monogastrics see the ill effects of NSAID in digestive upset, and gastric ulcers.? I was told by CSU that there is no known effects from long term use of Banamine in small ruminants. I had a ewe on daily and occasional BID Banamine for aout 9 months with no ill effects.? 

Jennifer Tucker
wwwMooseMtnRanch.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: Cheryl Terrano <paintedrockfarm at aol.com>
To: hannah at knoxfarms.com
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise









WOW on the Banamine dose! That's way more than my vet has ever recommended for my own sheep, going on a 72 hour dose. Like I mentioned, a vet is your best bet for getting a dose based upon the individual animal's issue. Banamine is a pain reliever...reminds me a lot of aspirin in the fact that it tends to upset the stomach. 



When we raised hogs, we had a sow with a difficult birthing and we had to administer Banamine for several days. My vet was out of town and the relief vet had me give her a double daily dose, then she promptly went off feed after 48 hours - my own vet called me back after getting back in town and recommended to lay off the high doses of Banamine, switch mostly to Dexasone, continue antibiotics and probios. Within 24 hours, she was eating again and almost normal within 48 hours. Of course, that was a pig, not a sheep and pigs are monogasatric (single stomachs), not ruminants.



Sounds like your gal is making headway - keep up the probios.



Good luck!

Cheryl





Hannah wrote...*1ml/50#




> One of the effects of Banamine on sheep tends to be that is really upsets



> the rumen, as some folks have mentioned to you already.




*? I believe any mention of rumen inbalance was in reference to the

affects of antibiotics, but thanks for bringing this to my attention.? I

didn't know that banamine would do it too.? I actually forgot to give her

her probios yesterday.? I think shes been eating some feed.












Cheryl in WV

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-----Original Message-----

From: Hannah <hannah at knoxfarms.com>

To: Cheryl Terrano <paintedrockfarm at aol.com>

Cc: Jacob-list <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

Sent: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 4:39 pm

Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise







Hello,


> Hannah,

>

> Someone on the list recommended contacting a vet, which is very advisable.

> Did you receive your Dex dosing from a vet?


*The three medications that we are working with are naxcell (antibiotic),
banamine (anti-inflamitory, rever reducer), and dexamethasone (steroid),
all of which are prescription medications.  This lamb would not have
lasted this long had she not recieved immediate treatment.  Further more,
I cannot afford a $300+ emergency Thanksgiving vet visit which is not
worth her weight in salt.  I am taking this entire series of unfortunate
events as a learning experience - hopefully one in which she will survive.


>I wasn't sure if you

> administered than IV or IM (or SubQ) but, depending on the method of

> administration, the dosing seems rather low for a sheep that might way 100

> lbs.?


*This drug is administered IM.  We use it whenever an animal must be
treated for extended periods of time.  I found a dosage online for sheep,
but I also read that the dosage depends upon the symptoms that the animal
is presenting.  The dose that we gave her is adequate for her weight and
symptoms.


> Meds are beneficial indeed but they do not offer full effects unless

> they are administered properly and in the correct dosing.


*No!  Really?
  LOL, no offense...


> Also, the mg/ml

> amount in your Dex will be a factor. Meds listed for other species often

> are not 'labeled' for sheep but are used by vets frequently. This is the

> case for Banamine, as well as a number of other drugs, including various

> dewormers like Ivomec and Dectomax. What dosing of Banamine are you using?


*1ml/50#


> One of the effects of Banamine on sheep tends to be that is really upsets

> the rumen, as some folks have mentioned to you already.


*  I believe any mention of rumen inbalance was in reference to the
affects of antibiotics, but thanks for bringing this to my attention.  I
didn't know that banamine would do it too.  I actually forgot to give her
her probios yesterday.  I think shes been eating some feed.


> It can be used for

> longer periods of time but again, vet supervision or consult is often

> recommended.

>

> I hope your sheep makes some progress soon!



*Thanks!  She was out and about this morning.  Her breathing is still
fast, but not as labored.

TTYL,

Hannah K


>

> This afternoon we gave her 1ml of

> dexamethasone.

>

>

>

>

> Cheryl in WV

> http://paintedrockfarm.blogspot.com

> http://www.paintedrockfarm.com

>

> WHEN EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE SHAKEN IS SHAKEN, THE ANCHOR THAT HOLDS IS THE

> WISDOM OF THE CROSS. (Jason Upton, Key of David Ministries, from the CD

> 1200 ft below sea level)

>

> If you want to see God's power at work, you must get out of the church and

> into the world. Watch the extravagant lengths which God will go to reveal

> Himself to people who don't know Him. Then you will learn how truly

> awesome our God is. (Author Unknown)

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Hannah <hannah at knoxfarms.com>

> To: wedohoney at sbcglobal.net

> Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

> Sent: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:18 pm

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise

>

>

>

> Those are both great ideas.  I am going to give her some IV fluids

> tomorrow morning.  Hopefully that will give her a boost.

> I listened to her lungs.  Her breathing sounds very labored and raspy.

> There is definately liquid in there.  I know that she cannot go on

> breathing like this for many more days.  This afternoon we gave her 1ml of

> dexamethasone.

>

> I check on my animals at least once a day and this was very sudden.  Is

> that common?  Did I just miss something?

>

>

>> don't know what happened while I was typing but anyway I was going to

>> say

>> my vet also suggested to use Banamine at 50% dosage for up to 10 days,

>> not

>> as a painkiller but as antiflammatory.

>>

>>

>>

>> Jack and Jaci

>>

>> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, JACI SIEHL <wedohoney at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>

>> From: JACI SIEHL <wedohoney at sbcglobal.net>

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise

>> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

>> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 5:40 PM

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> I suggest to add saline to the Nuflor 50/50.  Nurflor is very thick and

>> takes a long time to inject and still seems to be a painful injection.

>> My

>> vet suggested the saline and it sure makes it easier.

>>

>> Also, my vet

>>

>>

>>

>> Jack and Jaci

>>

>> --- On Wed, 11/26/08, ARTHUR PARTRIDGE <aztreaz at earthlink.net> wrote:

>>

>> From: ARTHUR PARTRIDGE <aztreaz at earthlink.net>

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] sheep update... still need some advise

>> To: "jacob-list" <jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

>> Date: Wednesday, November 26, 2008, 11:43 AM

>>

>>>*No. I am quite certain that she is suffering from pneumonia. I spoke

>>>with my friend this afternoon who told me that pneumonia causing

>>> bacteria

>>>in sheep in my area are resistant to pen-g. We started her on naxcell

>>>last night.

>> =======Nuflor is very good for that.  It is specifically for respiratory

>> problems.

>> If I have a lamb will raspy breathing I give it a dose of Nuflor.  I buy

>> it

>> at a vet clinic store.  See the website for more info:

>> http://www.nuflor.com/nuflor_glance/faq.html.  Unlike Pen-G, it doesn't

>> need storing in a

> refrigerator.

>>

>> Good luck,

>> Cathy

>> Moscow, Idaho

>>

>>

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