[Jacob-list] Rams with does

[Gary Anderson]

Regarding the question of rams mating with does, you might advise the person
interested in buying your ram that some rams will mate with does and some
not.  Some rams that will not mate with does at first exposure may do so
over time.  Perhaps more problematic than the mating is that goat ova are
readily fertilized by ram spermatozoa with the resulting pregnancy usually
surviving 45 to 60 days of gestation.  Occasionally the hybrid goat x sheep
pregnancy survives longer, but infrequently does it survive to term.  These
hybrid pregnancies can affect successful breeding to bucks by virtue of the
fact that the does will not cycle while pregnant.  (The reciprocal mating of
a ewe by a buck is less likely to result in successful fertilization; should
fertilization occur, the resulting pregnancy typically is lost by about 30
days.)  

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Today's Topics:

   1. rams with cows (hobbyknobfarm)
   2. Re: rams with cows (Hannah)
   3. Re: Ram Overdosed on Corn (Linda)
   4. Re: rams with cows (Neal and Louise Grose)
   5. Re: rams with cows (Lasell J. Bartlett)
   6. AGM Raffle (Linda)
   7. AGM Raffle (Linda)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 13:03:14 -0400
From: "hobbyknobfarm" <hobbyknobfarm at main.nc.us>
Subject: [Jacob-list] rams with cows
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Does anyone keep rams with cows? any thoughts on this? Will rams try to
breed goats(does of course) Someone is buying my ram and is asking about
keeping him with cows and goats. I have mine with wethers but never any does
and never any cows. He most likely will only have the ram and a ewe that
will eventually need to be separated when lambs come. Thanks
Elizabeth
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 15:35:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Hannah" <hannah at knoxfarms.com>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] rams with cows
To: "hobbyknobfarm" <hobbyknobfarm at main.nc.us>
Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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I have to completely separate my Jacob ram from my does through their
breeding season and part of the winter.  He is very rough and sometimes
chases them when they're pregnant.  I am actually looking to replace him
with a polled ram (not a Jacob of course).  I think he would be ok with
cows, though.

Hope this helps!



> Does anyone keep rams with cows? any thoughts on this? Will rams try to

> breed goats(does of course) Someone is buying my ram and is asking about

> keeping him with cows and goats. I have mine with wethers but never any

> does and never any cows. He most likely will only have the ram and a ewe

> that will eventually need to be separated when lambs come. Thanks

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 19:15:30 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Ram Overdosed on Corn
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That was just a quote from a vet site. I didn't write it :-) I've been 
fortunate in never having to deal with acidiosis, but if I do, the 
mineral oil sounds like a good idea.

ARTHUR PARTRIDGE wrote:

>> If sheep do get acidosis, the best treatment is to try to neutralize the 

>> acid in the rumen. This is done with baking soda diluted with water and 

>> physically drenching the sheep or the free choice feeding of it (if they 

>> will eat it). Also, treating the sheep with an anti-inflammatory agent 

>> (banamine or aspirin) will help reduce fever and founder problems. 

>> Treating them with an antibiotic is also recommended.

>>     

> =========

> All true, except I was advised to mix mineral oil with the baking soda;

> although Linda did write to dilute the baking soda with water.  That is

> probably fine.  The mineral oil protects the innards from the strong

> chemical reaction of the baking soda with the acid in the rumen.   Just

> plain, undiluted baking soda causes problems.  Also start feeding lots of

> grass hay.  Perhaps giving some goat yogurt with active cultures would

help

> too. 

> Cathy

> Moscow, Idaho

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 22:37:38 -0400
From: "Neal and Louise Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] rams with cows
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OK, some rams will try to breed goats (just as goats can be used as teasers
for ewes), cows, and the occasional tree stump. 
(One item of note: if the does are from a primitive breed, such as Angora,
there is a chance that a hybrid offspring may result. We think that we had a
AngoraXJacob many years ago.)

Generally though, there should not be a problem with keeping a ram in with
other mature animals. We have had Jacob rams and cattle together before with
sometimes hilarious results.
Our first ram was pretty sure that he was THE dominant animal in any given
situation...even when staring down a 1600 pound Holstein.

Then there was Buster and Jan. Buster was as easy going as a ram could be
and seemed to enjoy sharing his paddock with a shaggy little Hgihland cow.
Come breeding season, I thought it would be simple to divide the flock and
put half in with him. Jan, who was smarter and a bit more mischievous than
the average cow decided that it was fun to annoy the ram when he needed to
do his job. One morning I was startled to see Buster chasing Jan around the
pasture, and every time she slowed down, he would pop her in the rear. She
deserved it.

Neal Grose

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  Subject: [Jacob-list] rams with cows


  Does anyone keep rams with cows? any thoughts on this? Will rams try to
breed goats(does of course) Someone is buying my ram and is asking about
keeping him with cows and goats. I have mine with wethers but never any does
and never any cows. He most likely will only have the ram and a ewe that
will eventually need to be separated when lambs come. Thanks
  Elizabeth


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 23:07:53 -0400
From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" <lasell at lasell.org>
Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] rams with cows
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On Jun 24, 2009, at 3:35 PM, Hannah wrote:


>> Does anyone keep rams with cows? any thoughts on this? Will rams  

>> try to

>> breed goats(does of course) Someone is buying my ram and is asking  

>> about

>> keeping him with cows and goats.


When we had cows, we kept the sheep (ewes and ram) in with the cows.  
We did have horned cows (Dexters) and indeed I recall seeing the bull  
put the ram in his place a time or two. I was grateful for that. <g>


Lasell J Bartlett MSW

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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:47:59 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] AGM Raffle
To: Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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Deadline for purchasing tickets online is Friday, June 26, at 6am est.

http://www.patchworkfibers.com/raffle.html

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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 07:49:42 -0400
From: Linda <patchworkfibers at windstream.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] AGM Raffle
To: Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com
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Deadline for purchasing AGM raffle tickets online is Friday, June 26, 
6am, EST.

http://www.patchworkfibers.com/raffle.html

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