[Jacob-list] Moorit X Lilac

[Heather Hettick]

I would love to see a picture of your lilac crossbred, Neal.

Now that I think it through, I did have one non-black ewe lamb one year - to
a lilac ewe. The breeding was unplanned because my rams broke the barn door
out and I had 7 unplanned crosses that year, but the lamb was spotted
badgerface.  She was beautiful and I tried to keep her to see what she would
produce, but she broke her leg over the winter and it didn't heal well.  She
either died of infection or stress/pain. The father was black badgerface.  I
found a lot of crosses would go gray close to the skin and a couple actually
seemed to show some sort of gray pattern - maybe not the Icelandic gray
except on a 3/4 Icelandic ewe lamb I had last year.  

Heather Hettick
Moonstruck Farm
Creston, OH
www.moonstruckfarm.wordpress.com




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Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:01:26 -0400
From: "Neal and Louise Grose" <nlgrose at yadtel.net>
Subject: [Jacob-list] Moorit X Lilac
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Yes. this is one of those things that can throw our ideas about what's'what
out the window.

After using a lilac carrier ram on our longwool (Lincoln X Finn X Cotswold)
one year, it dawned on me that something weird was going on. We did not have
a single longwool X Jacob lamb that was not Jacob black. In fact, 4 white
FinnX ewes produced 13 black or piebald lambs. This was just NOT
statistically probable.

Moorit is the most recessive of the color genes. Betty, our dear friend,
gave us a moorit Shetland ram for me to experiment with, and we used him on
6 lilac Jacob ewes. Once again, all of the lambs were black or piebald. This
means that lilac is not located at the Jacob black allele. It is recessive,
but the black alleles are present and are only expressed in absence of two
lilac genes. (This may mean that lilac is the absence of some other link of
the protein pathway that yields black.)

As a follow-up, Max, the moorit ram with a Napoleon complex, died as our
only fatality in a tornado, but left a black half-Jacob son who was used on
some of his sisters. As a result, we now have what appears to be the only
lilac crossbred that I have ever seen. And for the record, our lilacs do not
prematurely fade.

I just love muddied waters...

Neal
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Linda 
  To: Heather Hettick 
  Cc: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
  Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 2:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] Jacob-list Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1


  Neal? didn't you get black lambs with the moorit Shetland/lilac Jacob
cross?

  Linda

  Heather Hettick wrote: 

Did you breed your moorit Icelandic ewe to your lilac Jacob ram?

My current Icelandic ram carries moorit, but has never produced anything but
black crosses with lilac Jacobs.  


Heather Hettick
Moonstruck Farm
Creston, OH
www.moonstruckfarm.wordpress.com


 



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