[Jacob-list] New Booklet "Guide to Selection of Jacob BreedingStock"

[Carl Fosbrink]

         I have not heard that statement, but I also have to take most of my 2Hs to market. I do occasionally sell a 2H to someone who wants to show it or to someone who is afraid their children will get hurt by the extra horns. I think the main reason 4Hs are preferred over 2Hs is that the 4H genes are not found in many breeds if sheep and those genes for 4Hs and spots are a large part of what makes the Jacob different from most breeds. 
     
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: marguerite van beek 
  To: Royal Unzicker 
  Cc: Jacob List 
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 3:39 PM
  Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] New Booklet "Guide to Selection of Jacob BreedingStock"


  To all:


  I agree it is a wonderful book very informative and much appreciated, but as everyone knows that is is extremely difficult to sell a two horn ram in this area,  regardless.  It has been talked about so often between the breeders but reality is they are not sell able.  And it is a breeders choice to breed 4 or 2 horn or only 4 horn but it would have been nice to see a two horned animal on the front cover as well.  And I for one had heard on several occasions of breeders stating that the only "true" Jacob is a four horn animal.  I am just tired of having exceptional two horn rams in the past that had to be destroyed because of the previous statement.  It just would have been nice.  


  I should have said and didn't "thank you" to Ingrid for the work on the booklet and the JSBA.  


  Peggy


  On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 2:06 PM, Royal Unzicker <runzicker at verizon.net> wrote:

    Hi Peg,
    Sorry if this came across negatively to you.   I think four horn sheep were used as there is more frequently an issue with four horn sheep  than with two horn sheep.    And it seemed helpful to show how horns can change as they mature.  Since this is a guide to alert breeders, especially new breeders, it seemed  more beneficial to use four horn animls.   As it states under the photos, both sheep are rams.      In any case,  I have never heard anyone say two horn Jacobs are of less value than four horn Jacobs.     I do find that sometimes breeders are willing to pay more for four horn animls just because they like their look.  I find the same is often true for Jacobs with black on their legs or feet.  That does not imply that JSBA thinks four horn Jacobs or Jacobs with black feet are more valuable than other Jacobs.   It should be a breeder's choice as long as the sheep fall within  the breed standard..  

    This guide has been in the works for many years and there have been numerous revisions.   I am sure there is not copy that will please everyone.  However, I do hope the guide will be of value to the majority of our members.  
    Royal Unzicker
    Inspector Chair  
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: peggy 
      To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com 
      Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 9:23 AM
      Subject: [Jacob-list] New Booklet "Guide to Selection of Jacob Breeding Stock"


      I just received my copy of the “Guide” and right off the bat here we are putting a four horn ewe and a four horn ram on the front cover.  No two horns.  So anyone looking at that would certainly think that four horn is the only “Jacob” because if two horn was just as important then they also would be on the front cover.  I don’t care if I stick my neck out on this one but come on didn’t anyone think???



      The front cover should have been divided into four pictures one of each.   I thought we discussed this at the AGM in NJ how important two horn Jacobs are. I guess not and the message stinks.



      Peg van Beek



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