[Jacob-list] two horned sheep

[Robin Lynde]

I don't think I'd call that a trend without seeing more figures. I could go back and figure this out for other years. I just didn't have time that night.

I do think that registration is a good idea if only so that you know the ancestory of your sheep and of those you might want to buy. There are enough sales between the east and west coasts that you can't be guaranteed to get an unrelated sheep simply because it comes from a flock 1000 or 3000 miles away.
Robin
On Sep 7, 2011, at 8:12 AM, Linda wrote:


> According to the JSBA registration numbers submitted by Robin to the list, the percentage of 2 horned sheep is steadily decreasing .

> 

> "Here are the real numbers for the last 3 1/2 years of JSBA registrations:

> 2008 49% 2H, 51% 4H

> 2009 48% 2H, 52% 4H

> 2010 48% 2H, 52% 4H

> 2011 to date 46% 2H, 53% 4H

> Robin Lynde

> JSBA Registrar"

> 

> Linda

> 

> On 9/7/2011 11:03 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

>> 

>> Mark,

>>  

>>     Thank you for enlightening us as to why most people don't register in Missouri. It is pretty much what I thought.

>>      Yes, the numbers of 2H Jacobs have increased steadily within JSBA as the spinner market has increased. What do you see as far as the percentage of 2Hs in Missouri? I would guess it is a lot less since the shooters don't want 2Hs.

>>     My favorite thing about JSBA is the pedigree search. You can check the pedigree on a JSBA registered Jacob for 5 generations. There is even a reverse pedigree search. I find this a great help when trying to select a new ram to purchase, If you don't know the pedigree of an individual it may produce it's like or it may not.

>>     JSBA also has an on-line list of members where you can locate members who have Jacobs to sell.

>>    If the JSBA could some day put the registration picture they keep on record  with the animals on the pedigree search it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread in my opinion.

>>     I try to keep photos of good Jacobs in a file here at home and get pictures of as many Jacobs as I can. It is a great help when obtaining new breeding stock to know what the ancestors were like.

>>     When buying unregistered stock a person would have to see the seller's flock to know if what they are buying was out of good lines or not I would think.

>>     Even when buying registered stock this is a good idea because the standard is so wide open that flocks can vary greatly from one flock to another.

>>     I understand the problem with the shooter market paying more for the adult rams. I find it a shame that I am offered much more by shooters for a ram than I can get for it as a registered breeder.

>>      I also find that other breeds of sheep bring a much higher price for breeders than Jacobs do. I keep them because I love the breed and want to preserve the American Jacob's great qualities and I hope for a bright future for the breed.

>>      I think the JSBA, although it has it's share of problems, has been the most stable and productive of the registries and most of the other registries have faded away.

>>      How would I know about all those great Jacobs in Missouri if I wanted to buy some. Would I have to attend all the exotic auctions and sales?

>>  

>> Carl

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Mark Essen

>> To: jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

>> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:21 PM

>> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep

>> 

>> A big Thank you goes out to Robin for her report of the stats.  I would never have dreamed that two horned Jacobs were so plentiful.  

>> As many of you know, I have been raising Jacobs for more years than most and was a proud member of JSBA for all of my early years.

>> In Missouri there are Jacobs flocks all over the place.  I do not know very many that are registered.  But, many of these flocks are of excellent quality.  The problem is finding all of these small flocks.  It is not uncommon for me to run into somebody that sees me wearing a JSBA t-shirt and comes up and talks about their own small flock.  As it turns out, the easiest way to find a Jacobs breeder is go to an exotic sale.  There are at least two in Missouri that happen six times annually that have great Jacobs.  There are at least five other sales or swaps that have Jacobs routinely, although the quality should be questioned.  Then there is the Small Farm Show that has two JSBA members exhibiting every year.  At the sales and swaps, you may or may not get papers, but never pay a premium for registration.  People just do not care.  I have bought some good quality ewes that continually produce good quality lambs that have been registered in a variety of small registries. I think the availability of good quality unregistered stock is one reason that Missourians are not quick to join an association.  I think another reason is that there are a variety of registries that accept Jacobs.  Five years ago I think I counted six different registries that would take my money for a certificate.  My background is JSBA so that is the one that I prefer, but new people have no clue so just do not bother.

>> At least, that is my thoughts.

>> As a side thought, breeders in Missouri cannot afford a mature four horn quality ram at auction.  The shooting ranches always have more money.  Breeders buy younger stock and hope they turn out well.

>> 

>> On 9/6/2011 1:27 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

>> ..........snip

>>>     Missouri is one state where few people raise registered Jacobs. Mark can probably enlighten us on why this is. I always suspected it was because they have the exotic sales there that other states do not have and this gave them a market that most other states do not have.

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Robin Lynde
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