[Jacob-list] Oops - one more thing

[Sara Dunham]

The gulping dirt thing is still a bit of a mystery, but they suggested two
possibilities are gastric ulcers or mineral unbalance...so now that I type
this I guess I'm still concerned about minerals.  Too many things running
through my pea brain.  Regardless, it's a sheep I love and if he doesn't
rally, I hope he at least teaches us something.

Sara

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Sara Dunham
Punkin's Patch
Cynthiana, Kentucky
www.myfavoritesheep.com
http://myfavoritesheep.blogspot.com
www.myfavoritesheep.etsy.com


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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 13:21:28 -0500

> From: Sara Dunham <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com>

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> I have a mixed flock of about 15 Jacobs, 15 "united nations" of sheep.  We

> are in a good growing area with plenty of grass.  I'm feeding a high

> quality sheep mineral that we are bringing down from a mill in Indiana,

> bermuda grass hay.  Everyone is pretty hog fat, so I only grain supplement

> my old (10+ years) Jacobs and one young Jacob ewe that has battled through

> three undiagnosable maladies which seem to be finally controlled by dosing

> with a vitamin drench (?).  So, I now have this odd young Jacob ewe, an

> older Jacob wether with what the vets think is a goiter, and this morning

> watched another old Jacob wether gulping down mouthfuls of dirt.  No odd

> symptoms from any other breeds of sheep.  What is going on here?  I've been

> told by an Icelandic breeder that the primitive breeds require different

> vitamin/mineral supplements - mainly copper.  Any thoughts?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Sara

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> Sara Dunham

> Punkin's Patch

> Cynthiana, Kentucky

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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 11:31:35 -0800

> From: tim koenig <timkoenig5 at gmail.com>

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] mineral question

> To: Sara Dunham <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com>

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> I've had three years of increasing lambing problems, culminating in

> 100% mortality last spring. Vets originally thought it was some virus,

> but the flock did not develop the expected immunity. This winter

> several of my rams became very unthrifty and either died or were

> finally put down. I did necropsy   on two and sent organ samples to

> the WSU vet school. Results showed sever goiter, along with resulting

> multiple organ failure from various infections.  Turns out that one of

> the results of goiter is severe damage to the immune system.

>

> The flock was put on Purina Sheep mineral, supplemented with  E.D.D.I.

> from VEDCO. After about a month and a half of supplementation, the

> remaining rams are nearly recovered and putting weight back on.

> Through all this no of my ewes showed any signs of the disease. On

> checking the Merk Vet. Manual, however, I

> found,(http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/182801.htm

> ),

> the paragraph on Iodine deficiency Perfectly describes what was

> happening to my lambs.

>

> Having never even heard of this problem in sheep, I did some more

> research on causes, and came  across some information of goiterogenic

> plants. Came up with one candidate, Flixweed, which I had never heard

> of.

>

> (http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10113/9257/1/IND43954300.pdf) and

> (http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=DESO2)

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> I believe this has started showing up in my pasture, this summer I'll

> be able to check for sure.

>

> I hope this will be of some help to you, and others.

>

> Tim

>

> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Sara Dunham

> <thecrazysheeplady at myfavoritesheep.com> wrote:

> > I have a mixed flock of about 15 Jacobs, 15 "united nations" of sheep.?

> We

> > are in a good growing area with plenty of grass.? I'm feeding a high

> quality

> > sheep mineral that we are bringing down from a mill in Indiana, bermuda

> > grass hay.? Everyone is pretty hog fat, so I only grain supplement my old

> > (10+ years) Jacobs and one young Jacob ewe that has battled through three

> > undiagnosable maladies which seem to be finally controlled by dosing

> with a

> > vitamin drench (?).? So, I now have this odd young Jacob ewe, an older

> Jacob

> > wether with what the vets think is a goiter, and this morning watched

> > another old Jacob wether gulping down mouthfuls of dirt.? No odd symptoms

> > from any other breeds of sheep.? What is going on here?? I've been told

> by

> > an Icelandic breeder that the primitive breeds require different

> > vitamin/mineral supplements - mainly copper.? Any thoughts?

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > Sara

> >

> > --

> > Sara Dunham

> > Punkin's Patch

> > Cynthiana, Kentucky

> > www.myfavoritesheep.com

> > http://myfavoritesheep.blogspot.com

> > www.myfavoritesheep.etsy.com

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> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:22:13 -0500

> From: Elizabeth Bell <hobbyknobfarm at gmail.com>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] mineral question

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> Sarah-your email refers to one of your sheep gulping down dirt-I have an

> older cotswold ewe that has done this twice this winter and I assumed she

> was eating too many dead oak or cherry leaves in the pasture or had gotten

> too much of something toxic. She is not bred, is actually on the hefty

> side. no other sheep have done this and she is in with the Jacobs also so I

> dont think it is related to the breed of sheep. I actually gave her doses

> of pepto bismal thinking it was something toxic. She got better but not

> sure if it was the pepto bismal or something else. She would also seem

> quite exhausted after this episode. The second episode seemed to end a

> little sooner. I was just assuming it was something toxic but none of the

> others were having this problem. So these emails make me think it is

> something else. But she recovers and physically doesn't change.

> Elizabeth

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