[W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil pressure strange

[Shayegan, Richard]

Christopher,
   I'm actually not that far off in temp. I'm over in Charlotte for now.
The temps I gave were in C, not F (I work in C thanks to the ext. temp
gauge in the car, just like I work on a 24 hour clock system). Even when
I'm not in Charlotte, I'm in DC, it doesn't get too cold. I honestly
didn't know of any 15-40 that wasn't part synthetic. I've been using
20-50 in the summer and spring and 10-40 in the winter. I'll try moving
to 15-40 when I get home in 5 weeks. For now I don't have the tools I
need. I've been using the high mileage oils since I noticed after I used
them a few times, my rear main seal leak slowed down a lot, but it picks
up again when I go back to normal oil. In that in between period when I
go from 20-50 to 10-40, but it's not cold yet but will be soon, I do
notice the car runs a little less smooth but gets freer revving. 
Anyways, if anybody else has ideas in the mean time, I'm interested.
Mainly I'm curious as to why my economy gauge doesn't always peg to the
left at idle.
Thanks,
Richard

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Subject: RE: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil pressure
strange


Hi Richard,

  It would be worth trying 15W40, just to see if there is any change in
your pressure when coming to a stop. We use Shell Rotella 15W40 in all
the Porsches (Porsche recommends Shell, and is the oil they are shipped
from the factory with)and also the Mercedes, we service at our shop.
It's a good oil that has done very well for us on the track (Solo 2
autocross), and has done well in our personal cars, so we recommend it
to our customers ( with the exception of some close-tolerance engines in
the later cars which require 5W30, we use Mobil One in those ). You are
in an area that gets a good deal colder than it does here. We
occasionally drop into single digits for a couple of days or so, but
Knoxville generally averages in the 30's and 40's most of the winter
(usually from late November 'til about early March), so I haven't had
any first-hand experience with really cold temps and oil pressure
problems. Try the 15W40 and see what happens, then go from there. It
won't cost much,!
  and it might solve the problem. 

                  Christopher Huffine
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> From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> Date: 2005/01/23 Sun PM 09:42:00 EST
> To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> Subject: RE: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
pressure strange
> 
> Yup, I've checked my oil. As far as sludge, it might be. I saw the
valve
> covers were thickly caked in sludge when I replaced the injectors
(well,
> some sludge, some totally hardened oil), but I cleaned those
completely
> off before reinstalling them. Something I noticed today when driving:
it
> was -5C, started right up, the oil pressure was as normal, BUT now
every
> time I come to idle in gear the economy gauge was staying about 1/10
of
> the way to the right. Throwing it in neutral pegs it to the left. BTW,
> the symptoms I mentioned before had been going on for about 3 weeks.
> Don't know why they just disappeared. Maybe my 19 year old car (albeit
> only 140,000 miles) is too worn down for 10-40 oil even in the winter?
> Richard
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
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> eurotech1 at charter.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 9:33 PM
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> Subject: RE: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
pressure
> strange
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
>   Well, it almost sounds as if your pump pick-up is momentarily losing
> suction when the oil sloshes forward during braking. But if the oil
> level is correct, and you only have 1500 miles on your last oil change
> (you have checked your oil level?) it probably wouldn't be that.
> Is your motor sludgy? I have seen debris in oil pans get sucked into
the
> pick up screen and partially block the flow. Usually though, it will
be
> a constant low pressure condition, not momentary, as you're
describing.
> That's a real headscratcher. Anyone else got an idea? 
> 
>                   Christopher Huffine
> > From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> > Date: 2005/01/23 Sun AM 11:01:05 EST
> > To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> > Subject: RE: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
> pressure strange
> > 
> > It's not so much that I'm getting sharp fluctuations in readings at
> > steady throttle. What happens is this. If I'm driving, all is
normal.
> > When I'm pulling to a stop, the oil pressure goes a little low
(before
> I
> > said 1.5, it's more like 1.8) and then when I come to a complete
stop
> > the engine will do a quick rev (so little it's not picked up by the
> rpm
> > gauge, but I can hear and feel it), bringing up the oil pressure to
> > about 2.8, and the rev is picked up by the economy needle going 1/6
of
> > the way to the right and back. Also, sometimes (not all the time, I
> > wouldn't even say most of the time), when I come to a stop I won't
get
> a
> > rev to bring up the oil pressure. Instead the oil pressure will stay
> at
> > about 2 and the economy needle will come to a rest about 1/10 of the
> way
> > to the right instead of pegging to the left. I'm starting to hate
> > vaccuum btw. If only there were a way they could have made it
without
> > involving rubber or plastic.
> > Richard
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> > [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of
> > eurotech1 at charter.net
> > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 1:29 AM
> > To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists
> > Subject: Re: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
> pressure
> > strange
> > 
> > Hey Richard,
> > 
> >  Your economy gauge is basically just a vacuum gauge ( reads high
> vacuum
> > at idle, vacuum decreases as throttle is opened ), could indicate a
> > vacuum leak somewhere if you're experiencing sharp fluctuations in
> > readings at a steady throttle position.
> > 
> >                    Christopher Huffine
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > > From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> > > Date: 2005/01/22 Sat PM 04:00:01 EST
> > > To: "Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists" <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
pressure 
> > > strange
> > > 
> > > The battery is the official benz battery and is about 2 months
old, 
> > > has no leaks. Is there a way to check the cold start sensor short
of
> 
> > > replacement? As for the oil, it looks clean, has 1500 miles on it,
> of 
> > > which 1200 are highway. Also, I've noticed some more things. The
oil
> 
> > > pops backup because the engine does a quick surge (just once, not 
> > > picked up by the rpm gauge, but I can hear and feel it). The
engine 
> > > surge is also accompanied by the fuel economy gauge going from the

> > > left end to
> > > 1/6 the way to the right and back to the left end. Also, sometimes

> > > when I stop the engine won't surge, and the oil pressure will hang
> out
> > 
> > > at about 2. When this happens, the economy gauge doesn't peg at
the 
> > > left end (like it should at idle, and most of the time does), but 
> > > rather it will stay about 2 economy-gauge-needle widths to the
> right. 
> > > I remember when I once mentioned a problem Jonathan asked what the

> > > economy gauge did at idle, so I'm thinking maybe this indicates
what
> > the problem is?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com
> > > [mailto:mbcoupes-bounces at mbcoupes.com] On Behalf Of Sharan Bains
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:04 PM
> > > To: mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com
> > > Subject: RE: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil
pressure 
> > > strange
> > > 
> > > Richard,
> > > 
> > > Either the cold start sensor (4-pole switch) on the inlet manifold
> is 
> > > not functioning correctly or you have a weak battery, which in
turn
> is
> > 
> > > not able to support the cold start system components.
> > > 
> > > As for the oil sender, may just be dirty oil. Try changing the oil
> and
> > 
> > > oil filter and check again.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > talbir
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
> > > >Reply-To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> > > >To: <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
> > > >Subject: [W126 Coupe] 1- doesn't start in cold 2 - oil pressure 
> > > >strange
> > > >Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2005 14:14:25 -0500
> > > >
> > > >2 things I've noticed as of late. When it's cold out (not super
> cold,
> > 
> > > >but like 35F and lower) the car doesn't like to start. First the
> > > starter
> > > >will spin free since it didn't engage (the strange part is to get
> the
> > 
> > > >starter to stop, I have to turn the key all the way to the off 
> > > >position and then take it all the way back to the start position
- 
> > > >jounce bounce the key off the start position basically), then on
> the 
> > > >next attempt (or whenever it finally does engage), I'll have to
> crank
> > 
> > > >it for a good
> > > while
> > > >to get the engine to stumble to life (to get the rpms up to a 
> > > >non-stumbling speed I have to give it a little gas). After that
> it's 
> > > >fine. It doesn't do this if it's warm out nor if it's cold out
but 
> > > >the engine is warm. Any ideas?
> > > >     The second thing is that when I hit the brakes (like to slow

> > > >down for a red light), the oil pressure will drop to about 1.5
and 
> > > >then when I complete my stop it will come back up to the usual 
> > > >2.4-2.8 it does at idle. I know technically even if it stayed at
> 1.5 
> > > >it's ok, but it never did this before so I'm guessing something's

> > > >wrong. The oil level is fine. Any ideas about this one?
> > > >Thanks,
> > > >Richard
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