[W126 Coupe] don't use high mileage oils

Thu Jan 27 01:13:48 EST 2005

where can i get this molycoat stuff.   it seems i just caught the tail end of this oil discussion.

jralex at ix.netcom.com wrote:Yes Ronny. I consider molybdenum disulfide(moly) to be the best additive for extreme pressure, lubricity, antiwear and high temp applications. As the story goes during WW2 Germany found that by adding moly to  the oil that even plane engines that lost all oil due to anti-aircraft shelling made it back to base still running. They are credited with being the first to use synthetic lubricants being developed due to petro shortage and to get across the Russian Winter. I think they were di-esters which were used here especially in air compressors but have a seal incompatability thus giving synthetics as a whole a bad name in the early days. Diesters accept additive packages very well whereas PAO's do not so a good way to get the package into PAO is first into diester then into PAO. Jim Alex

-----Original Message----- 
From: Ronny Geenen 
Sent: Jan 26, 2005 12:17 PM 
To: jralex at ix.netcom.com, Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists 
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] don't use high mileage oils 

Jim,

Thank for the clear explanation.
I let my mechanic use a German syn., that he mainly use for Porsche.
I also add Molykote Liquid, which I have added to all my cars since the 1970.
I have learned to appreciate Moly products since I was a ship engineer in the Dutch Merchant Marine sailing on oil tankers.
Do you have any experience with Molykote Liquid and what is your opinion?

Best regards,

Ronny 
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From: jralex at ix.netcom.com 
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Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [W126 Coupe] don't use high mileage oils

The oil numbers refer to viscosites. 15W 50 means that the oil behaves like a 15 weight when cold and a polymer pulls in the characteristics of a 50 weight when engine gets hot. So, 0W 40 is actually a straight SAE 40wt. without winter characteristics. Actually the 15W50 is better for winter but of all the superior qualities of a sysnthetic which is polyalphaolefin with a kiss of polyolester and diester. The later two are used to get the addditive package into the matrix and are nonlinear. PAO is linear and therefore able to mix with any mineral based oils left in the system. The quality of a syn. to not get thick over night which make petro based flow slowly on initial start up on a cold morning is enough reason to use it. Most wear occurs as a condition known as 'boundary condition' i.e., tne oil is not present as opposed to full film or 'elastohydrodynamic lubrication'. For the same reason you guys kill the coil after oil change synthetics get to the moving parts faster. Satish
 put a syn. and a dino quart in his freezer overnight and pored each into a paper cup. After observing the flow rate differance He said it was no contest. That without question He would  use Syn. especially winter in Detroit. Syn. is 30 times less volitile that dino meaning the syn does not evaporate leaving sludge components. It is far more resistant  to oxydation and chemical attack. Need I say more! Major oil companies are always looking for another category other than 'Me Too' so as to capture market share for profit. All majors have synthetics but fought it for years. Castrol started using a Group IV highly refined petroleum base stock calling it synthetic argueing that the process qualified it as synthetic. Mobile took them to court and the decision favored Castrol! The industry is in an uproar over this court crap. It is deceitful in that all know that synthetics have always meant PAO!! Enough! Richard, by the way if you go to Mobile 1, a good choice, and extend your drain
 intervals to 3 or 4 times as long at least DO change your oil fiter every 3K and add a little for filter loss. I have run out of typing ink. Later, Jim Alexander
-----Original Message-----
From: "Shayegan, Richard" <rishayegan at davidson.edu>
Sent: Jan 25, 2005 3:16 PM
To: Mercedes Coupes Mailing Lists <mbcoupes at mbcoupes.com>
Subject: [W126 Coupe] don't use high mileage oil
I e-mailed Pat Goss just to see what his thoughts were on going to a
thicker oil as a car ages. He said that he doesn't think it's a great
idea, and in fact he likes Benz's new recommendation for older cars too
(namely, 0w-40 synthetic). I asked him if he knew of a regular oil that
was 0-40 since I have a leaky rear main seal and don't fancy the idea of
synthetic all over my driveway. I mentioned that the rear main seal had
pretty much fixed itself after 2 years of high mileage oils though. Then
he told me that now that I've used high mileage oils, I have no choice,
I have to keep using them. He said unless an engine is in serious need
of seal swelling, don't do it, because it overswells the seals and then
the car becomes dependant on that extra swelling. He said I might be
able to still use regular oil since I'd only used the high mileage for
15,000 miles, but that even though it's only been 15,000 miles I may
still experience oil consumption if I go back to regular oil. I don't
know about y'all, but I hate the idea of being dependant on an oil,
especially one that only comes in 2 acceptable weights, so I thought I'd
give y'all a heads up.
Richard

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