[Retros] Building a complete and friendly retro library

[andrew buchanan]

Hi,

We need a hybrid wiki+database.

At bottom, we need to have a *database* of problems which can be
searched along various flexible criteria. Existing wikis don't have
that requirement. But a pure database, like PDB, is not quite enough
because it doesn't allow for non-relational concepts (e.g. chess
conventions, articles about pawn promotion checkmates) to be grafted
on. A wiki would obviously be ideal for that.

All problems should be stored in the database. There should be a
facility to get output as a list of FENs, not just a graphical output
as in PDB currently.

There is then the question of data. Much historical data can be
migrated from existing online sources. However I think that priority
should be given to established procedures so that that all new
published problems (including the "best of" RML?) appear in the system.
Over time, one can back fill the historical stuff.

Cheers,
Andy



--- Oliver Sick <oliver.sick at web.de> wrote:


> Hello,

> 

> Very good idea. Thanks to Otto Janko and good luck.

> 

> Some remarks. I think it would be even more valuable, if it would be

> embedded in a larger chess problem wiki intended fot the larger

> community of all problemists. 

> 

> Good reasons are:

> 

> - A wiki would grow faster if more people were involved. And in fact

> there are other attempts to establish a problem chess wiki (eg. I´ve

> set up a very very early and raw wiki at cpwiki.oliversick.de, at

> this stage it is not more than a playground ).  Involving a bigger

> audience helps to promote such an amibitious project like a wiki.

> 

> - Especially things like fairy chess conditions, author

> informations,...are of general value for all problemists. If there

> were several sources for chess problem definitions  the real  danger

> of inconsistent informations would be given. 

> 

> - I know of some problemists who are working on a fairy (offline)

> chess encyclopedia. Perhaps they could be motivated to participate in

> an online fairy encyclopedia.

> 

> What do you think? 

> 

> 

> 

> Best

> Oliver Sick

> 

> ----- Ursprüngliche Nachricht -----

> Von: raosorio at fibertel.com.ar

> An: retros at janko.at

> Gesendet: 17.05.08 15:05

> Betreff: [Retros] Building a complete and friendly retro library

> 

> 

> Hi friends,

> 

> We were discussing with Nicolas Dupont about the necessity of having

> an ordered,

> complete and friendly source to easily get the PGs state of the art

> in every respect.

> 

> We were focussed on PGs but after some interaction with Otto Janko

> this concept

> was extended to all the retroanalysis specialties.

> 

> Otto informed us that he started some time ago a retro-wiki targeted

> to build such a

> source but this initiative had no too much success in the RML.

> 

> It's perhaps a matter of communication, so I propose to start it

> again. We agreed with

> Otto that the best way would be to participate the retro community

> via this RML

>  in order to structure the wiki (which is as far as I understand a

> very flexible tool) altogether.

> 

> I would like to remark what I have in mind: there are many problems,

> articles, Awards,

> comments, definitions, etc, published all over the world; an endless

> ocean to be

> navigated lonely. When one is trying to go deeper with something it's

> a must to start 

> from its state of the art, but how to get it?

> 

> Magazines are the original source for most problems, articles, etc,

> but places like the

> Retrocorner are the natural (and indispensable) secondary source;

> other way, how to

> put the pieces altogether?

> 

> This should be started by an Otto's message indicating what we should

> define first in

> order to build the wiki structure. The wiki is a tool and this

> initiative will make sense if

> the retroexperts collaborate filling it with contents; other way, it

> would be an empty vessel.

> 

> (http://retrowiki.janko.at/.  is already fully functional;

> nevertheless we should wait 

> to edit it until some agreement about the desired structure is

> reached on the RML).

> 

> Some messages from the retro community supporting this initiative

> would be very appreciated.

> 

> Best,

> Roberto Osorio

> 

> 

> 

> 

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