I am not Ed Alexander
Frances Morey
austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
Sun Mar 28 20:25:38 2004
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Wayne,
But Ed Alexander certainly embraced a number of us in Real de Catorce, celebrating that fine and unforgettable Thanksgiving. As for the bible, it is idiocy to demand that the stuff is a true blueprint for living as the fundamentalists tend to do. It has to be thought of in the context of the times it was written, or committed to paper, after centuries of the oral tradition passing it down. The strict interpretation of the bible is for stupid people who are untutored in the history of the book itself and how the stories might have evolved through countless translations from way back in time. Huey, I say. A book is a book, and I have never even contemplated reading it. Didn't have to--I went to Church often enough to hear all of it read to me in small segments over time. Little morality plays is what it was intended for, before scientific thought demonstrated that some of the biblical truths were poppycock. Personally I would prefer Greek drama staged every Sunday morning, but they
never asked me what I thought. BTW the existence of god, or not, is scientifically unprovable so it is idle talk to insist one way or the other since it is spiritual thing, within the mind of the believer and unknowable but to each person for themselves. When others try to proselytize about it is when there is potential for discomfort. You will believe what I want you to believe, god dagnabit! That's about mind control, and not highly personalized religious experience. Little is all good or all bad, it's a matter of degree.
Frances
Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net> wrote:
Hey, listen up there. If you were in the Car Business and had the Buick
franchise, would you want to have anything to do with a bunch of Ford-ites?
(Uh, this doesn't mean you, Jon, its just a metaphor.) Or Dodge-ers? No.
You try to keep things in your control. As in, revising and
burying/burning "alternative scripts". Or in this case, scriptures. Get
rid of all those "messy" Earth Mother images. And certainly get rid of
anything hinting at "mortal" behavior. Like birth via the ole birth canal
there and sleepin' with wimmin'. Y
wj
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judith M. Herr"
To:
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: I am not Ed Alexander
> Is this when we get to start talking about the removal from the stories of
> Jesus of Mary Magdalene as Jesus'wife and mother of his children?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net
> [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:00 PM
> To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> Subject: I am not Ed Alexander
>
> What "truth" in the Bible? Beautiful stories and epic morality plays with
> lots of things to learn. Unless, of course, you think that it, the Bible,
> was actually conceived of and written in King James English. It is an
> important book among many important books dealing with similar subjects.
> As
> such, it is subject to interpretation and re-interpretation and often,
> deliberate, mis-quoting and horrific mis-use.
>
> It is, on the other hand, in no way, in and of itself, a "justification"
> for
> murder, vilification or social violence against *any other group*...even
> total non-believers. Only those with the intellectual capacity of a
> chocolate bunny view things that way. Ooops, value judgment sneaked in
> there. We don't need a New American Inquisition or Baptist Taliban in
this
> Millenium.
>
> Ever notice the difference between say, Martin Buber and Billy Graham. Or
> Tielhard de Chardin (sp?) and Pat Robertson? Or the "reported" behaviour
> of
> St. Francis and George Bush? There was another Protestant theologian I
> used to read back in the Sixties, oh yes, Paul Tillich. Contemporary
> Evangelists don't quote him much. That I have noticed anyway. Anyone for
> Kierkegaard these days?
>
> Agnostically yours,
>
> Rev. Bubba
> Church of the American Constitution
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Eisenstadt"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:44 AM
> Subject: Ed Alexander is NOT one of us
>
>
> > well, of course, he's one of us. if there is anyone who is not one of
> > us, its me.
> >
> > Ed emailed to get off the list this morning in a letter quoting the
> > bad things I said about the truth of the bible. Apparently he or
> > Brigit thinks its the word of Gigoo. <-my pet name for Him
> >
> > i still believe that subscribers to this list are all lefties
politically
> > and some are new agers and some are standard secular types.
> >
> > Mike the secular leftie <-sounds lethal dont it?
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Wayne,</DIV>
<DIV>But Ed Alexander certainly embraced a number of us in Real de Catorce, celebrating that fine and unforgettable Thanksgiving. As for the bible, it is idiocy to demand that the stuff is a true blueprint for living as the fundamentalists tend to do. It has to be thought of in the context of the times it was written, or committed to paper, after centuries of the oral tradition passing it down. The strict interpretation of the bible is for stupid people who are untutored in the history of the book itself and how the stories might have evolved through countless translations from way back in time. Huey, I say. A book is a book, and I have never even contemplated reading it. Didn't have to--I went to Church often enough to hear all of it read to me in small segments over time. Little morality plays is what it was intended for, before scientific thought demonstrated that some of the biblical truths were poppycock. Personally I
would prefer Greek drama staged every Sunday morning, but they never asked me what I thought. BTW the existence of god, or not, is scientifically unprovable so it is idle talk to insist one way or the other since it is spiritual thing, within the mind of the believer and unknowable but to each person for themselves. When others try to proselytize about it is when there is potential for discomfort. You will believe what I want you to believe, god dagnabit! That's about mind control, and not highly personalized religious experience. Little is all good or all bad, it's a matter of degree.</DIV>
<DIV>Frances<BR><BR><B><I>Wayne Johnson <cadaobh@shentel.net></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hey, listen up there. If you were in the Car Business and had the Buick<BR>franchise, would you want to have anything to do with a bunch of Ford-ites?<BR>(Uh, this doesn't mean you, Jon, its just a metaphor.) Or Dodge-ers? No.<BR>You try to keep things in your control. As in, revising and<BR>burying/burning "alternative scripts". Or in this case, scriptures. Get<BR>rid of all those "messy" Earth Mother images. And certainly get rid of<BR>anything hinting at "mortal" behavior. Like birth via the ole birth canal<BR>there and sleepin' with wimmin'. Y<BR><BR>wj<BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Judith M. Herr" <HERRJ@COMCAST.NET><BR>To: <AUSTIN-GHETTO-LIST@PAIRLIST.NET><BR>Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 4:50 PM<BR>Subject: RE: I am not Ed Alexander<BR><BR><BR>> Is this when we get to start talking about the removal from the stories of<BR>> Jesus of Mary Magdalene as
Jesus'wife and mother of his children?<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> -----Original Message-----<BR>> From: austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net<BR>> [mailto:austin-ghetto-list-admin@pairlist.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Johnson<BR>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 12:00 PM<BR>> To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net<BR>> Subject: I am not Ed Alexander<BR>><BR>> What "truth" in the Bible? Beautiful stories and epic morality plays with<BR>> lots of things to learn. Unless, of course, you think that it, the Bible,<BR>> was actually conceived of and written in King James English. It is an<BR>> important book among many important books dealing with similar subjects.<BR>> As<BR>> such, it is subject to interpretation and re-interpretation and often,<BR>> deliberate, mis-quoting and horrific mis-use.<BR>><BR>> It is, on the other hand, in no way, in and of itself, a "justification"<BR>> for<BR>> murder, vilification or social violence against *any
other group*...even<BR>> total non-believers. Only those with the intellectual capacity of a<BR>> chocolate bunny view things that way. Ooops, value judgment sneaked in<BR>> there. We don't need a New American Inquisition or Baptist Taliban in<BR>this<BR>> Millenium.<BR>><BR>> Ever notice the difference between say, Martin Buber and Billy Graham. Or<BR>> Tielhard de Chardin (sp?) and Pat Robertson? Or the "reported" behaviour<BR>> of<BR>> St. Francis and George Bush? There was another Protestant theologian I<BR>> used to read back in the Sixties, oh yes, Paul Tillich. Contemporary<BR>> Evangelists don't quote him much. That I have noticed anyway. Anyone for<BR>> Kierkegaard these days?<BR>><BR>> Agnostically yours,<BR>><BR>> Rev. Bubba<BR>> Church of the American Constitution<BR>> ----- Original Message ----- <BR>> From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <MICHAELE@ANDO.PAIR.COM><BR>> To: <AUSTIN-GHETTO-LIST@PAIRLIST.NET><BR>> Sent:
Sunday, March 28, 2004 10:44 AM<BR>> Subject: Ed Alexander is NOT one of us<BR>><BR>><BR>> > well, of course, he's one of us. if there is anyone who is not one of<BR>> > us, its me.<BR>> ><BR>> > Ed emailed to get off the list this morning in a letter quoting the<BR>> > bad things I said about the truth of the bible. Apparently he or<BR>> > Brigit thinks its the word of Gigoo. <-my pet name for Him<BR>> ><BR>> > i still believe that subscribers to this list are all lefties<BR>politically<BR>> > and some are new agers and some are standard secular types.<BR>> ><BR>> > Mike the secular leftie <-sounds lethal dont it?<BR>> ><BR>> ><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><p><hr size=1><font face=arial size=-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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