little sisters and Mel Gibson

[Jon Ford]

Thanks for the vote of support, Wayne. I would like to view Gibson's movie 
just to see what all the contoversy is about. I don't really think the film 
will stir up much hatred against Jews. It seems to be more about making 
modern Christian people feel Jesus' pain-- that empathy purgation thing 
(Greeks called it catharsis). Difference is, the Greeks usually closed their 
plays with some powerful metaphysical insight about the pattern of fate, the 
dangers of hubris, and all that stuff--so there was  a fine balance between 
logos and pathos. Gibson's vision is all pathos, from what I've heard, and 
thus more degrading than enlightening. But I want to see the movie so I can 
wallow in the mire for a couple of hours and draw my own conclusions.

Jon


>From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
>Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Subject: Re: little sisters and death wishes
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:55:29 -0500
>
>So, Jon, don't hang with the Gibson crowd anymore?
>
>I agree with your sentiments, btw.
>
>wayne
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jon Ford" <jonmfordster@hotmail.com>
>To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
>Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:03 PM
>Subject: re: little sisters and death wishes
>
>
> > Michael-- I keep hearing this "Israelis are Nazis"  
metaphor; Israelis are
> > Fascists or Zionism is Fascism is another variety. All this is  
illogical
>in
> > the extreme, really only a type of name calling propaganda having 
its
> > origins among the Palestinian hate-mongers.  At best  it's a 
faulty
>analogy
> > (Like the Nazis, Israel has a lot of guns, and they use them 
against their
> > enemies. So you might as well say every country with an army is 
Nazi. But
> > there is a lot more to being a Nazi or Fascist than that!
> >
> > To say Israelis are "reborn Nazis" is pushing the little 
comparison  into
> > the domain of the X-Files, making hate speech and faulty thinking 
into
> > something mythical, creating a "true believer" religion 
out of hating
> > Israel, Israelis, and, more generally, Jews. Makes me want to 
vomit.
> >
> > Jon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "Michael Eisenstadt" 
<michaele@ando.pair.com>
> > >Reply-To: austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net
> > >To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> > >Subject: re: little sisters and death wishes
> > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 03:16:34 -0600
> > >
> > >I wrote:
> > >
> > >  > The Israelis are not reborn Nazis,
> > >
> > >Peipi wrote:
> > >
> > > > How do you know they're not!?
> > >
> > >They know they are not just as I know I am not a reborn 
Nazi.
> > >
> > >Maybe you have doubts about yourself in this regard. I 
cannot
> > >be a reborn Nazi because I do not share their views. If 
you
> > >were to say, maybe you are a reborn Nazi even though you 
don't
> > >share their views, I would say that that is 
self-contradictory
>therefore
> > >impossible.
> > >
> > >If you delight in self-contradiction, then I would 
conclude you
> > >have an animus against logical thought as well as against 
Israelis.
> > >
> > >In other words, your considerable amount of brainpower is 
going
> > >to waste. Of course if embracing Buddhist mumbo-jumbo 
makes
> > >you feel better, hey its a free country. Your sister 
and/or you are
> > >like the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland who boasted that 
she
> > >sometimes believed in up to 5 impossible things BEFORE
> > >BREAKFAST.
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >
> > >Mike
> > >
> >
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