as the world turns????

[Wayne Johnson]

All.  From the beginning to the end.  What is the argument supposed to be? 
To whom was it addressed?  Am I supposed to discover that Sharon is a) a 
really bad person; b) a really good person; c) a bad person doing good 
things; d) a good person doing bad things?

Sorry.  I just didn't discover the "sub-text" or the Uber-text either. 
Probably just me and my caffeine starved early morning brain dysfunction.

wgJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Eisenstadt" <michaele@hotpop.com>
To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: as the world turns????


> Which paragraphs didnt you understand?
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> Mike
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Wayne Johnson" <cadaobh@shentel.net>
> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:05 AM
> Subject: Re: as the world turns????
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>> My apologies for being so dim this morning, but what part of this 
>> argument
>> is supposed to about "demonization" and what part is supposed to be about
>> "simplistic thinking"?   Am I supposed to conclude that the author is
>> pro-Sharon and anti-Sharon?  I fear I have missed the point somehow.
>>
>> Please clarify.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> wayne J
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Madelon Umlauf" <madelon@austincc.edu>
>> To: <austin-ghetto-list@pairlist.net>; <Guylite@aol.com>;
>> <byronmarshall2001@yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:52 AM
>> Subject: as the world turns
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>> > it is so easy for simplistic thinking to demonize
>> > Ariel Sharon at the moment.
>> >
>> > this is the man who deceived Menachem Begin
>> > that he wouldnt take the Israeli army past the
>> > Litani area. But he pressed on to Beirut. his
>> > real intention was to create a puppet regime
>> > in neighboring Lebanon based on the Maronites
>> > (Lebanese Christians) and drive out the PLO
>> > which was on the point of taking over Lebanon.
>> >
>> > Of course the Maronites changed sides
>> > immediately (hey, its the Near East) to the
>> > Syrians and got the Syrians to save them
>> > from the refugee Palestinians. This the
>> > Syrians were happy to do because it made
>> > them the masters of Lebanon (which they
>> > still are). And Sharon did succeed in
>> > getting the PLO troops evacuated to Tunisia.
>> > This was in 1982.
>> >
>> > Sharon famously was involved in the Sabra
>> > & Shatila masacres when Maronites went into
>> > the Palestinian refugee camps and slaughtered
>> > at least 2000 men women & children. talk
>> > about a blood bath! at the very least Israeli troops
>> > stood by while this was happening.
>> >
>> > Sharon is also the gentleman who,
>> > disobeying orders from Moshe Dayan
>> > the one-eyed gent then Defense Minister
>> > who was having a nervous breakdown,
>> > took his tank battalions over into Egypt
>> > and did a classic envelopment of the
>> > Egyptian 3rd Army, saving the country's
>> > bacon so to speak. this was in 1973.
>> >
>> > and back before 1967 was the commander
>> > of Israeli Special Forces which did punitive
>> > raids against Palestinian irregulars in the
>> > West Bank then ruled by Jordan.
>> >
>> > now he has forced through the Knesset
>> > the decision to evacuate Israeli settlements
>> > from the Gaza Strip, 7000 men, women in
>> > kerchiefs and children. These folks get
>> > a $250,000 buyout per family from the govt
>> > which seems quite generous
>> >
>> > Sharon is a cold SOB. He obviously
>> > ordered the IDF to shed some serious
>> > blood in their most recent incursion into
>> > the Gaza slums. This helped the evacuation
>> > proposal to pass in the Knesset. Only
>> > Sharon could have done it. Like only
>> > Nixon could have recognized Red China.
>> >
>> > Netanyahu & other Likudites are calling for
>> > a referendum. Why when 65% of the country
>> > would vote yes. Because the settlers and the
>> > religious are a very corrupt electorate. They
>> > regularly vote the cemeteries in their precincts
>> > and their activists vote over and over again
>> > in this or that precinct. Political parties such
>> > as Labor and others send in poll watchers
>> > but it is virtually impossible to tell one young
>> > bearded black suit from another especially
>> > where the poll workers are complicit.
>> >
>> > so it seems that in the real world rulers act
>> > incrementally, ad hoc rather than according
>> > to some long-range plan.
>> >
>> > so what are we to think of Sharon now?
>> >
>> > by the way the ads on the Internet editions
>> > of Haaretz and the Jerusalem Post are
>> > thick with Vote Kerry/Edwards banners.
>> > What does that tell you about your simplistic
>> > views of Israel?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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