[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[Frances Morey]

I had a pair of pet racoons when I was in elementary school. Their mother had died in a spring trap and my brother rescued them. One morning they got into the house, climbed into my bed and began trying to wake me up. I thought it was my mother trying to fix my hair for school and I yelled, "It's Saturday, leave me alone." When I opened my eyes there were Rosco and Bosco, sitting by my pillow. They were babies when we got them and they stayed with us as they matured. They were amazing pets--figured out the latch and let themselves out of the cage. We lived near the Medina river and one day they just up and returned to the wild. 
  Frances

michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:
  Jon, I'd have to say the live and let live is my top rule if I can. For 
instance, that possum from wayback discussions with Jim—he/she walks 
around here after dark checking for food and water, but we just close 
it off til morning. The cat has taken to staring at it as it mosies 
around. Clearly, it thinks its home. It runs when the lights come on. 
If we open the cabinets and find it there's no hissing, or teeth. It 
just stares at us. All throw away food goes to the yard, so its only 
turned over the trash once. I guess, so long as it stays off the table 
and such, we'll just live with it. mm

On Dec 8, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Jon Ford wrote:


>

> Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about buying a 

> gun to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night and 

> show no respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However, after 

> the bracing exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

>

> Jon

>

>> From: "Bill Irwin" 

>> Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 

>> 60s

>> To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 

>> 60s"

>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire 

>> tracks...

>> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

>>

>> Well, that is a good, well thought out answer. I would have to 

>> agree with you on most all points. I have 2 guns but now that I have 

>> given up on exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't 

>> know what use they are any more. Oh, I remember - I am waiting for 

>> the revolution (lets hope for a peaceful revolution).

>> Ewie

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Frances Morey

>> To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

>> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire 

>> tracks...

>>

>>

>> I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which 

>> it turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might 

>> think differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on my 

>> balcony once and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I 

>> need one." The shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone 

>> known to me, who was being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I 

>> grabbed the phone and started calling 911. Still, 911 is never gonna 

>> be as fast as a speeding bullet. I just hope one never comes my way.

>> The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to 

>> kill family members, even by accident, than against an intruder--even 

>> used in suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is 

>> not only the reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be 

>> utilized by the criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are 

>> fearless and well trained the gun can be easily removed from your 

>> hands and turned on you. If you scare someone by pointing a gun at 

>> them, imagine how pissed they are when they wrestle it away and turn 

>> it on the First Pointer.

>> I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is 

>> in gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took care 

>> of an elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin 

>> crawl was when he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

>> Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't 

>> about being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without 

>> firearms.

>> Best,

>> Frances

>>

>> Bill Irwin wrote:

>> Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to 

>> rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a peacenik. 

>> Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought 

>> you might have some insight on those two dilemmas. Seems to me that 

>> gun use is neither Christian nor peaceful.

>> Aloha,

>> Ewie

>>

>> ----- Original Message -----

>> From: Frances Morey

>>

>>

>> Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his 

>> defense would have been that he was shooting horses I would have said 

>> I was standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I grew 

>> up with guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a 

>> target shooting face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp 

>> outshooting 500 other scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His dad 

>> gathered him up and they left hunting camp early.

>> It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a 

>> movie script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the 

>> movie. I feel that if the potential is there, at some point it will 

>> be used, sometimes by the intruder--so I just as soon not have them 

>> or keep them.

>> Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with 

>> bodies it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun 

>> totin' neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

>> When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over 

>> the place even though the students were at that time forbidden to 

>> keep firearms.

>> Best,

>> Frances

>>

>> michele mason wrote:

>> This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want 

>> the right

>> to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my 

>> land. I've

>> had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to 

>> keep "them"

>> away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing 

>> something

>> that might hinder my rights.

>> We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at 

>> mine, but

>> missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't 

>> know that

>> they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to 

>> disable his

>> car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me 

>> that right,

>> I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

>>

>> On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

>>

>> >

>> >

>> > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

>> > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

>> >> From: StopTheNRA

>> >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

>> >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

>> >>

>> >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to 

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>> >> and kill another person even when they could have safely 

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>> >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent 

>> people could be

>> >> shot in the crossfire. The shooter does not have to 

>> prove their

>> >> life was in danger, but only that they "reasonably" felt 

>> their life

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>> According to

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>> already

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>> >>

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