[AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire tracks...

[michele mason]

Wonderful story. Coons are some of my favorite animals so long as they  
don't go crazy in the kitchen. So intelligent! Had a girlfriend who had  
one and bobcat twins who learned to use the toilet, but sometimes  
forgot to flush.  mm

On Dec 9, 2006, at 10:31 AM, Frances Morey wrote:


> I had a pair of pet racoons when I was in elementary school. Their  

> mother had died in a spring trap and my brother rescued them. One  

> morning they got into the house, climbed into my bed and began trying  

> to wake me up. I thought it was my mother trying to fix my hair for  

> school and I yelled, "It's Saturday, leave me alone." When I opened my  

> eyes there were Rosco and Bosco, sitting by my pillow. They  

> were babies when we got them and they stayed with us as they matured.  

> They were amazing pets--figured out the latch and let themselves out  

> of the cage. We lived near the Medina river and one day they just up  

> and returned to the wild.

> Frances

>

> michele mason <yaya.m at earthlink.net> wrote:

>> Jon, I'd have to say the live and let live is my top rule if I can.  

>> For

>> instance, that possum from wayback discussions with Jim—he/she walks

>> around here after dark checking for food and water, but we just close

>> it off til morning. The cat has taken to staring at it as it mosies

>> around. Clearly, it thinks its home. It runs when the lights come on.

>> If we open the cabinets and find it there's no hissing, or teeth. It

>> just stares at us. All throw away food goes to the yard, so its only

>> turned over the trash once. I guess, so long as it stays off the table

>> and such, we'll just live with it. mm

>>

>> On Dec 8, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Jon Ford wrote:

>>

>> >

>> > Bill and Frances-- I have been thinking for a long time about  

>> buying a

>> > gun to exterminate the huge racoons who eat my cat's food at night  

>> and

>> > show no respect for me when I come out yelling at them. However,  

>> after

>> > the bracing exchange below, I have decided to live and let live.

>> >

>> > Jon

>> >

>> >> From: "Bill Irwin"

>> >> Reply-To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

>> >> 60s

>> >> To: "survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the

>> >> 60s"

>> >> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

>> >> tracks...

>> >> Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2006 13:36:15 -1000

>> >>

>> >> Well, that is a good, well thought out answer. I would have to

>> >> agree with you on most all points. I have 2 guns but now that I  

>> have

>> >> given up on exterminating the pigs or even shooting at them I don't

>> >> know what use they are any more. Oh, I remember - I am waiting for

>> >> the revolution (lets hope for a peaceful revolution).

>> >> Ewie

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: Frances Morey

>> >> To: survivors' reminiscences about Austin Ghetto Daze in the 60s

>> >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 1:01 PM

>> >> Subject: Re: [AGL] Fwd: Texas: Stop Shoot First Shooter in his tire

>> >> tracks...

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> I agree with you Bill--haven't touched a gun in my adulthood, which

>> >> it turned out is a lot longer than my childhood ever was. I might

>> >> think differently if I lived out in the county. I saw a shadow on  

>> my

>> >> balcony once and remember thinking, "Why don't I have a gun when I

>> >> need one." The shadowy figure was a teenager, the son of someone

>> >> known to me, who was being a peeping tom. He fessed up fast when I

>> >> grabbed the phone and started calling 911. Still, 911 is never  

>> gonna

>> >> be as fast as a speeding bullet. I just hope one never comes my  

>> way.

>> >> The statistics are that guns in the home are more often used to

>> >> kill family members, even by accident, than against an  

>> intruder--even

>> >> used in suicide. There is also statistical evidence that the gun is

>> >> not only the reason for a crime, which lures the thief, but can be

>> >> utilized by the criminal against the gun owner. Unless you are

>> >> fearless and well trained the gun can be easily removed from your

>> >> hands and turned on you. If you scare someone by pointing a gun at

>> >> them, imagine how pissed they are when they wrestle it away and  

>> turn

>> >> it on the First Pointer.

>> >> I don't think there is so much wrong with gun ownership as there is

>> >> in gun use. You never know how that is going to come out. I took  

>> care

>> >> of an elderly patient. He had lots of guns but what made my skin

>> >> crawl was when he went out one fine day and purchased bullets.

>> >> Even some suicides want to take company along. With me it isn't

>> >> about being a Christian. It's about being safe--safer without

>> >> firearms.

>> >> Best,

>> >> Frances

>> >>

>> >> Bill Irwin wrote:

>> >> Just out of curiosity I wanted to ask Frances and Michele how to

>> >> rationalize guns use and Christianity, gun use and being a  

>> peacenik.

>> >> Since you both represent those two camps to some extent I thought

>> >> you might have some insight on those two dilemmas. Seems to me that

>> >> gun use is neither Christian nor peaceful.

>> >> Aloha,

>> >> Ewie

>> >>

>> >> ----- Original Message -----

>> >> From: Frances Morey

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Hell, I'da shot at the horse drive-by shooter's car. If his

>> >> defense would have been that he was shooting horses I would have  

>> said

>> >> I was standing by the horse and thought he was shooting at me! I  

>> grew

>> >> up with guns, too, even beat another kid at the hunting camp in a

>> >> target shooting face off--he had won a ribbon in Boy Scout camp

>> >> outshooting 500 other scouts. My dad was really proud of me. His  

>> dad

>> >> gathered him up and they left hunting camp early.

>> >> It's like this with me and guns, if you introduce a gun in a

>> >> movie script at some point it has to be fired before the end of the

>> >> movie. I feel that if the potential is there, at some point it will

>> >> be used, sometimes by the intruder--so I just as soon not have them

>> >> or keep them.

>> >> Once the bullets start flying and the scene is scattered with

>> >> bodies it is moot to talk about who shot first. I try to avoid gun

>> >> totin' neighborhoods. That's probably just a delusion.

>> >> When Whitman happened guns came out of the woodwork all over

>> >> the place even though the students were at that time forbidden to

>> >> keep firearms.

>> >> Best,

>> >> Frances

>> >>

>> >> michele mason wrote:

>> >> This sounds like gone too far. I am a gun carrier and do want

>> >> the right

>> >> to shoot anyone who breaks in to my place, or is menacing my

>> >> land. I've

>> >> had some scary close calls. So far, a warning shot seems to

>> >> keep "them"

>> >> away, but I'm still alert. I want to be sure I'm not signing

>> >> something

>> >> that might hinder my rights.

>> >> We even had one guy driving by to shoot horses! He fired at

>> >> mine, but

>> >> missed. He did manage to kill several in Bastrop co. I don't

>> >> know that

>> >> they ever caught him. We couldn't shoot back, not even to

>> >> disable his

>> >> car because he was "on the roadway". If this bill gives me

>> >> that right,

>> >> I can't oppose it. Need more info. mm

>> >>

>> >> On Dec 7, 2006, at 4:12 PM, Frances Morey wrote:

>> >>

>> >> >

>> >> >

>> >> > StopTheNRA wrote:Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2006

>> >> > 15:25:47 -0600 (CST)

>> >> >> From: StopTheNRA

>> >> >> To: frances_morey at yahoo.com

>> >> >> Subject: Texas: Help Stop Shoot First!

>> >> >>

>> >> >> If this email does not display correctly, click here to

>> >> open it in

>> >> >> your browser.

>> >> >> <11665.gif>Stop Shoot First in Texas!

>> >> >> Sign Our Petition: Deadly Force Should Not Be a First

>> >> Resort

>> >> >> Dear Texas StoptheNRA Member,

>> >> >> As we gear up for the 2007 Texas state legislative

>> >> session, we wanted

>> >> >> to take this opportunity to tell you about the dangerous

>> >> "Shoot

>> >> >> First" legislation that will be introduced when the

>> >> legislature

>> >> >> convenes next month, and our plans to fight it.

>> >> >> If passed, such a law would make it legal for a gun owner

>> >> to shoot

>> >> >> and kill another person even when they could have safely

>> >> gotten away,

>> >> >> and even if they are in a public place where innocent

>> >> people could be

>> >> >> shot in the crossfire. The shooter does not have to

>> >> prove their

>> >> >> life was in danger, but only that they "reasonably" felt

>> >> their life

>> >> >> was threatened. This new bill would eliminate a citizen's

>> >> duty to

>> >> >> avoid the threat, by walking away or seeking refuge in a

>> >> safe place

>> >> >> and, instead, allows the gun user to "shoot first" to

>> >> eliminate the

>> >> >> threat.

>> >> >> Click Here to Sign Our Petition to Stop Shoot First in

>> >> Texas!

>> >> >> The Shoot First bill, that first became law in Florida in

>> >> October

>> >> >> 2005, is so overly broad and expansive that everyday

>> >> occurrences

>> >> >> could have deadly consequences for everyone involved --

>> >> including

>> >> >> innocent bystanders, who would have no civil recourse

>> >> against a

>> >> >> shooter if they are injured or killed in the crossfire.

>> >> According to

>> >> >> a study conducted by the Orlando Sentinel, Shoot First has

>> >> already

>> >> >> been used to defend some questionable shootings.

>> >> >>

>> >> >> This legislation permits the average citizen to bypass our

>> >> entire

>> >> >> justice system by permitting him or her to assume the role

>> >> of police

>> >> >> officer, prosecutor, judge, and executioner -- but it

>> >> doesn't stop

>> >> >> there -- this bill also protects the shooter from criminal

>> >> >> prosecution and civil liability!

>> >> >> You may think this is absurd, but the NRA has already

>> >> passed this

>> >> >> bill in 10 states!

>> >> >> As the legislative session draws nearer, we will be in

>> >> touch with

>> >> >> more information about how to stop this dangerous

>> >> legislation. In

>> >> >> the meantime, please sign our petition and urge your

>> >> friends to sign

>> >> >> up for our alerts so they too can help stop Shoot First in

>> >> Texas!

>> >> >> Here's What You Can Do to Keep "Shoot First" Out of Texas:

>> >> >>> 1. Sign our petition to stop Shoot First in Texas!

>> >> >>> 2. Forward this e-mail to friends, family, and colleagues

>> >> in Texas

>> >> >>> and urge them to sign the petition (you can include a

>> >> personal note

>> >> >>> on top).

>> >> >>> 3. Click here to contribute to our efforts in Texas and

>> >> across the

>> >> >>> country.

>> >> >> For more information on this legislation and how to get

>> >> involved in

>> >> >> the gun violence prevention movement in Texas, please

>> >> contact the

>> >> >> Texas Million Mom March Chapters of the Brady Campaign.

>> >> >> Thank you for helping us stop Shoot First in Texas!

>> >> >>

>> >> >> Sincerely,

>> >> >> Your Friends at StoptheNRA.com

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

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