[Jacob-list] two horned sheep

[marguerite van beek]

Sue

My words exactly.  Thank you for stating that.  I even gone further to call
the ranch, not well received. :)

Peggy

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:15 PM, Susan J Martin <stcroft at ptd.net> wrote:


> **

> Mark:

>

> Do you have a web site with pictures of your flock?  I live in PA and have

> never been to Missouri.....but I always enjoy seeing other flocks albeit via

> the internet.

>

> Just a personal opinion -- I refuse to knowingly sell my rams to  game

> ranch owners, although if I send them to auction that could well be where

> they end up.  My husband is a dedicated, avid hunter -- and would NEVER

> consider shooting a domesticated animal and then having the audacity to call

> it a "hunt."  The pictures posted on the internet and you tube showing

> "trophy" sheep which in reality are Jacob rams are truly disgusting.

>

> Sue Martin

> Stonecroft

>

>

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> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Mark Essen <messen at socket.net>

> *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:54 AM

> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep

>

>

>

> On 9/7/2011 10:03 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

>

> *Mark,*

>

> *    Thank you for enlightening us as to why most people don't register in

> Missouri. It is pretty much what I thought.*

>

> No problem, my thoughts are given out for free.  I just hope you get your

> money's worth.

>

> *  ....... snip*

>

>

>  *    When buying unregistered stock a person would have to see the

> seller's flock to know if what they are buying was out of good lines or not

> I would think.*

> *    Even when buying registered stock this is a good idea because the

> standard is so wide open that flocks can vary greatly from one flock to

> another.*

>

> You also have to be willing to cull heavily, even one or two generations

> down the line.

>

> *    I understand the problem with the shooter market paying more for the

> adult rams. I find it a shame that I am offered much more by shooters for a

> ram than I can get for it as a registered breeder.*

> *     I also find that other breeds of sheep bring a much higher price for

> breeders than Jacobs do. I keep them because I love the breed and want to

> preserve the American Jacob's great qualities and I hope for a bright future

> for the breed.*

>

> I have often had people ask me how to make money with a farm.  I tell them

> to sell the farm and invest in something else.   It is fun to watch the eyes

> and face of a visiter seeing a Jacobs for the first time.  It is extremely

> rewarding to see a seasoned breeder's jaw drop when they see my sheep.  But,

> being able to go out in the pasture and see the flock is reward enough for

> me.

>

> *     I think the JSBA, although it has it's share of problems, has been

> the most stable and productive of the registries and most of the other

> registries have faded away.*

>

> I think people figure out fairly quickly which registries are just

> collecting money and which are actively working for the breed.  I agree with

> you that JSBA is stable and productive, and I might add, works for the breed

> and breeders.

>

> *     How would I know about all those great Jacobs in Missouri if I

> wanted to buy some. Would I have to attend all the exotic auctions and

> sales?*

>

> Grow old raising Jacobs in Missouri.  I am in my mid fifties and have been

> with Jacobs for over twenty years.  I used to go to all of the sales, swaps,

> meetings, etc.  I do not go to many events any more, but that is how I met

> most of the breeders that I know.

> Mark

>

> **

> *Carl*

>

> ----- Original Message -----

> *From:* Mark Essen <messen at socket.net>

> *To:* jacob-list at jacobsheep.com

> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2011 8:21 PM

> *Subject:* Re: [Jacob-list] two horned sheep

>

> A big Thank you goes out to Robin for her report of the stats.  I would

> never have dreamed that two horned Jacobs were so plentiful.

> As many of you know, I have been raising Jacobs for more years than most

> and was a proud member of JSBA for all of my early years.

> In Missouri there are Jacobs flocks all over the place.  I do not know very

> many that are registered.  But, many of these flocks are of excellent

> quality.  The problem is finding all of these small flocks.  It is not

> uncommon for me to run into somebody that sees me wearing a JSBA t-shirt and

> comes up and talks about their own small flock.  As it turns out, the

> easiest way to find a Jacobs breeder is go to an exotic sale.  There are at

> least two in Missouri that happen six times annually that have great

> Jacobs.  There are at least five other sales or swaps that have Jacobs

> routinely, although the quality should be questioned.  Then there is the

> Small Farm Show that has two JSBA members exhibiting every year.  At the

> sales and swaps, you may or may not get papers, but never pay a premium for

> registration.  People just do not care.  I have bought some good quality

> ewes that continually produce good quality lambs that have been registered

> in a variety of small registries. I think the availability of good quality

> unregistered stock is one reason that Missourians are not quick to join an

> association.  I think another reason is that there are a variety of

> registries that accept Jacobs.  Five years ago I think I counted six

> different registries that would take my money for a certificate.  My

> background is JSBA so that is the one that I prefer, but new people have no

> clue so just do not bother.

> At least, that is my thoughts.

> As a side thought, breeders in Missouri cannot afford a mature four horn

> quality ram at auction.  The shooting ranches always have more money.

> Breeders buy younger stock and hope they turn out well.

>

> On 9/6/2011 1:27 AM, Carl Fosbrink wrote:

> ..........snip

>

> *    Missouri is one state where few people raise registered Jacobs. Mark

> can probably enlighten us on why this is. I always suspected it was because

> they have the exotic sales there that other states do not have and this gave

> them a market that most other states do not have.*

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