[Jacob-list] SUED question

[Linda]

Neal,

Twice, I've noticed severe sued in sheep with forward horns. You often 
get more separation between tops and laterals in a forward horned 
animal.The two times I've seen severe sued, both sheep were very forward 
horned. I'm guessing forward horns constitute a dramatic separation.

Linda

On 3/14/2012 4:31 PM, Neal Grose wrote:

> I'll second (third?) Carl here. There is SOME independence between 

> polycerate and SUED, but not much. I have even had a crossbred whether 

> with scurs and SUED.

>

> Here, we very seldom see SUED in ewes, and generally not in rams where 

> there is not a dramatic separation between the side horns. This is a 

> trait to control, not one that we should attempt to eliminate. What we 

> want is MEDIUM.

>

> Neal Grose

> PS: I saw a picture of a yak on TV the other day and realized it 

> looked as though it had 4 horns. Unfortunately, the remote doesn't 

> have a "wt...heck" feature.

>

>

> -----Original Message----- From: Carl Fosbrink

> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:07 AM

> To: Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com ; Lasell J. Bartlett

> Subject: Re: [Jacob-list] SUED question

>

> Lasell,

>

>     I don't understand what you mean by a 4 horned "carrier". All Jacobs

> are carriers.  SUED is part of the polycerate genes. It can occur in 

> any  4

> horn mating and is not a problem in a mild case. The genes that cause the

> horns to split can run down to the eye socket and that can cause a 

> split in

> the eye lid as I understand it. I have looked at skulls from my own dead

> Jacobs and have observed a split in the eye socket on the skull of a 5

> horned ewe that did not show up as a split in the eye lid of that ewe.

>      Some 2 horns are actually completely fused 4 horns and some are 

> actual

> 2 horns. SUED could show up in 4 horned offspring of 2 horned Jacobs 

> because

> it is part of what causes the horn buds to split.

>      I  would never cull a good Jacob with a slight notch in the upper

> eyelid because SUED is part of the Jacob breed. If we were to completely

> breed it out we would end up with a 2 horned breed of sheep and 

> although we

> have had 2 horns in our Jacobs ever since the introduction of the English

> imports Jacobs are known for their multipule horns and I love a 

> beautiful 4

> horned Jacob.

>

> Carl Fosbrink

>

> --------------------------------------------------

> From: "Lasell J. Bartlett" <lasell at lasell.org>

> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:32 AM

> To: <Jacob-list at jacobsheep.com>

> Subject: [Jacob-list] SUED question

>

>> From what I understand, SUED shows up when a 4 horn carrier breeds  

>> with a 4 horn carrier, and chance has it show it. (Sorry for rough  

>> genetic description?)

>> Can a 2 horn Jacob carry the gene and pass it along, so that even if  

>> it would never show up in a 2 horn sheep, it could show up in a later 

>> generation if the 2 horn or its offspring, had 4 horn offspring 

>> (that  was bred to carrier 4 horn)?

>>

>> Or does the gene NOT get passed along through the 2 horn sheep?

>>

>> Or something else?

>>

>> Under what circumstances do any of you breeders cull or not cull  

>> lambs with (milder degrees of) SUED?

>>

>> Lasell J Bartlett

>> lasell at lasell.org

>>

>>

>>

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